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Bright: Turn the book on for the kids. What did do they have like my kids have the Tony Boxes? Or what what are the what are you you don't know what that is? wow. it's it's like a little just a little box three D box cube that they put in their room on a shelf or whatever close to their bed and you can put all the different characters on top of them and then it reads them a story or plays a song and they

Duds: and it's got different books that it reads. Okay.

Bright: have all like all the n the Spider Man or Disney princesses Bluey, all the the big characters.

Duds: So depending on who you put on there, it plays a different story.

Bright: Yep. Absolutely. Yeah. So it it's pretty it's pretty

Duds: No, they just listen to my

Bright: good.

Duds: audible I just cast it to their echoes. And I think

Bright: Right, yep.

Duds: I'll download them a book every once in a while. They're on Zotopia right now. So got Minecraft and Zootopia.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's nice. That's a good idea That's a good way to do it. When we're on vacation, I'll take my my second phone, my work phone usually, and I'll put it in their room and I'll go to YouTube and find some half an hour story, read aloud

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: story, and just play that and pfft they're out.

Duds: Yeah, I don't even think they really listen to it that much. They just like to hear the sound in the background for them to fall asleep.

Bright: Yeah, yeah. I think that's how my son is, definitely. I think my daughter, who's a little bit older, she will listen, especially like the songs. And so she asked me if there's a Taylor Swift Tony. And

Duds: yeah.

Bright: I'm like, man. So there's not, which I'm surprised. I was like, that would be big money. I'm maybe I should I should do something about that

Duds: Send that over. Yeah.

Bright: right now instead of giving everybody the the the key to the treasure chest over over Podcast. But they do have like these customizable ones and they have one that's like a singer and so you can take the character and then add whatever you want. So I can just add Taylor Swift songs to this singing character. So that's a Christmas. Christmas plan.

Duds: She doesn't get any residuals for that?

Bright: Well, she would if she actually partnered with Tony Box, I'm sure. So yeah, I that's what I'm saying. Sure. Yeah. Well that's why they

Duds: Surprised she hasn't. Yeah, I don't I don't ever want to put anything on too interesting for because I don't want to stay awake. I want it to be you know, dull enough to where they fall asleep.

Bright: fall from the Yeah, no TVs, obviously. I mean if I listen to a podcast every night before bed and I'm out most times in like two minutes.

Duds: With headphones on or

Bright: Yeah, that's the only Downside. Yeah, I I put night

Duds: So you wake up in the middle of the night with headphones on?

Bright: Well it usually falls out, so I I have a separate set of headphones just for nighttime that doesn't like wrap around the ear or whatever. Like it just pop it in and so at some point it falls out. Now I'll lose in the bed sometimes and I'll wake up in the in the morning tr 'cause I gotta charge It's it could be a pain. But I've seen these things and I feel like we've talked about this before, I don't know if it was on the pod or not, but I've seen these things where they the bone resonating headphones, if you will, or whatever, and you put underneath your pillow or in your pillowcase. Yeah, yeah. So I've always been like

Duds: I think we did talk about that. Yeah, it's supposed to resonate through there.

Bright: Yeah, I don't know. They haven't committed to it yet.

Duds: I usually just turn the T V on for it seems like I'll make it about fifteen or twenty minutes and then I'm out. And I'll start to fall asleep. As soon as I realize

Bright: That's what I used to do. Yeah. I used to do that when I was

Duds: I'm falling asleep, I just turn it off and I then I can fall back to sleep pretty quick. If I try to fight

Bright: Yeah. Yeah.

Duds: it and stay up and watch it, and then later on, I'll eventually work my work through it and then I won't be able to fall asleep after that. So I've I've noticed if I start to fall asleep, just turn it off and go to bed. Yep.

Bright: But worth just go with it. What a what about your wife?

Duds: She's usually sleeping by the time I already even get in there.

Bright: And she did this the the T V being on doesn't bother her. No. Yeah.

Duds: No, she doesn't hear. Yeah, shouldn't care, I guess.

Bright: Yeah. Alright. Yeah. My single days, that's what I did, but I also noticed I would s end up staying up a lot later than I anticipated. I'd set a sleep timer or something, but then I'd get hooked on whatever it is that I was watching. I remember what I remember starting Shameless, d if you ever watched that show. And

Duds: Mm. Yeah, I think we watched all of it. I'm pretty sure.

Bright: Yeah. So I mean this is I mean, years ago. Old house. I I think I was with Caroline. I don't know if we were married or but she was definitely spending the night, I remember. And she was sleeping. I turned on shameless and I think I was up until like three o'clock in the morning. I watched like almost the entire first season. Right. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And then I had to go to work the next day. Like, what am I doing?

Duds: kept watching. I'll just watch one more. Just one more. I've been watching it's you know you you regret it and then you do the same thing the next night. You don't learn your lesson. it's like drinking. Like I'll just have a couple and you end up staying up too late.

Bright: Sure. Yeah, yeah. No, never. it's like very good graphical because it's data.

Duds: I've been watching re watching I think I had already watched all the second season of Tires. Did you watch any that? Dude it's pretty funny. It's it

Bright: No, I didn't. That's with

Duds: kind of reminds me of the Office.

Bright: Shane Gillis. I mean he's a funny dude. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, yeah. I've heard good things. It's kind of been on my list.

Duds: Yeah. Yeah, it's a funny show. You you should watch it. You'd like it a lot. It it has a lot of the same office vibes. Like it's kind of recorded that same way, you know? Yeah.

Bright: Yeah, yeah. Now here's what's crazy. I've never seen a single episode of The Office. Yeah. I know. It it is pretty crazy, right? They're

Duds: think you mentioned that too. Like that's that's just stupid. You need to watch that. Of all the shows you've watched, how can that not be one of them?

Bright: I know. The office, community, Parks and Rec,

Duds: Those I haven't seen.

Bright: No, th they're all ones that my wife loved. We never watched them together and I'm just like, I've never I've never seen a single episode of these. So no. No.

Duds: yeah. The office was great. First few five seasons of that were awesome.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah. Everybody has those shows though when people are like, You're cra it'd be like be like, You've never seen Breaking Bad, what?

Duds: Right.

Bright: You know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. All right. Well, should we get into the main topic first? Should we you wanna talk Bitcoin before we get into my main topic or do you wanna save Bitcoin? Save

Duds: let's save it. Let's see what your main topic is.

Bright: Save Bitcoin.

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: All right. Main topic. And this is definitely relevant. Still holds true a little bit with our economy and and money talk, although I would not say that this is a a fifth episode in that segment, if you will. Because we had what? We

Duds: Thank God.

Bright: did I know. I that's why I said I was like, we need something a little bit lighter. We had housing, we had what I don't even remember. I'd have to go back and look at the ep episode list.

Duds: I could talk about that stuff all the time though.

Bright: Sure, I know, I know. second second side hustle jobs, that was one of I don't know. So yeah, we had four episodes in a row, and I was like, all right, let's go with something a little bit lighter, but it's still it's still relevant in the sense of like this is big money and it is going to affect the economy.

Duds: All right.

Bright: And if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's Grand Theft Auto Six.

Duds: No, yeah.

Bright: I mean it's it's all over the place right now because two billion

Duds: Took two billion dollars to produce it.

Bright: dollars. Dollars. Now that's the high end of

Duds: That's wild.

Bright: the estimates. Rockstar hasn't like officially come out and said like that is the number. So they're kinda people are trying to figure it out based on like what their budget was, how many years it took, all the things that they were doing. And they're pretty much estimating one and a half

Duds: Would it take ten years or something?

Bright: to two billion. I mean it's been thirteen years since Grand Theft Auto five came out, but that doesn't mean that they were working on Grand Theft Auto Six the entire time. But I I would wager that yes, they've probably been working on the game for about a decade.

Duds: I had heard and I don't know if it's I'm sure probably it's partially true that like they were thinking of releasing it years ago, but like the technology was getting better and AI and all that and they're like, We can make this so much better, why would we release it like this? So they just kinda like revamped it all and like a didn't scrap it all, but just really went back to the drawing board and and did more for it. And that's probably why it's cost so much.

Bright: It's possible. I didn't Yeah, I I definitely didn't find that necessarily in my research. Not that I was looking for that, but I I could definitely believe that, especi especially with the improvements we've had with AI in the last three years. Although something that they said is that it doesn't have any generative AI built in. Timeout. Alright, quick one, right? so yeah, it doesn't have to start

Duds: The book ended, I I just have to start the book again.

Bright: the I tell ya, man. Damn kids. but yeah, it doesn't have any generative AI built in, which which is interesting. It could be kind of cool. Like they could have like essentially Chat GPT built into it so that you could have full blown conversations with certain characters. And

Duds: really?

Bright: it would be it you could do that. They did they didn't do that.

Duds: well. So it's gonna suck.

Bright: And I am I may I'm sur surprised a little bit. I don't think it's gonna suck and we'll get into some of the things. But I do wonder if at some point two

Duds: It's gonna cost like two hundred dollars or something?

Bright: hundred dollars. No, I do I have that information. it's only gonna cost I think it's like is I think it's eighty bucks.

Duds: That's pretty standard, I think. Seventy, eighty bucks.

Bright: Here go. Well, I I I think it used to be 60, and then it keeps getting to be more and more. So the standard edition will cost eighty dollars. The ultimate edition, which will include some extra things, I guess, is a hundred bucks. and then if you pre-order, I think you get a couple of other extra perks. You know, the thing is, is these perks are always all digital, and sometimes you can earn the perks in the game normally. So I never pay for these ultimate editions.

Duds: Right.

Bright: Like I I'll buy the base model. and I I will buy this game. I am pumped for it.

Duds: Are you?

Bright: Yeah, I am. I am. I'm like eighty dollars. I even said to my wife, I was like, Will you buy this for me for your birth for my birthday? And she was like, Sure. Although there is no physical copy really. So there's nothing for her to really buy

Duds: It's all digital.

Bright: me. That you can buy a physical copy, but it doesn't it doesn't come with a a C D or a D V D or anything like that. It

Duds: That's dumb.

Bright: it comes with a download code and and and maybe a guidebook or something.

Duds: So they're completely gone digital. They haven't

Bright: It's all yeah, it's all digital. All digital. Something something I am curious of. Do you have Grok pulled up or I do? All

Duds: I can pull it up, yeah.

Bright: right. Find out the the estimated size of the game. I did

Duds: yeah, download size.

Bright: not look that up, but now that I'm we're talking about it being all digital, it's like how how big is this game? It's gotta be massive. And I don't remember how big my hard drive is. Is it maybe 250

Duds: When it come out?

Bright: gigabytes? It comes out November 19th.

Duds: What is that, GTA six?

Bright: Which GTA six, correct. So November nineteenth, and that's like the essentially the week before Thanksgiving. So it comes out on like Thursday n Thursday maybe. And then Thanksgiving will be the following Thursday. So it's not like a Black Friday release, which I I'm a little surprised about. But maybe they know. I think that what they know is people will Okay. Alright. So the estimates?

Duds: Hm, no official size yet. Says they're estimating hundred and fifty to two hundred.

Bright: Yeah, that's massive. 'Cause I I'm pretty sure my entire hard drive is two hundred and fifty gigabytes on my Xbox. So

Duds: Yeah, it says the three hundred and twenty nine megabyte that's megabyte. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think they know, but anywhere from a hundred to two hundred. Like Red Dead Redemption, we have that one, Red Dead Two. And it's it's like a hundred and hundred

Bright: Yeah. Like Red Dead Redemption, we have that one. Yeah, there you go. I have that. How how big was that?

Duds: and forty or something like that, a hundred and twenty five, hundred and twenty seven.

Bright: Well, in in some of my research and I have this somewhere, maybe we'll get to it once I start running through the stats, Grand Theft Auto, I think, six is supposed to be about three times larger than Red Dead Redemption. At least at least

Duds: wow, that's a huge game too.

Bright: Yes. Now Again, technology's probably improved, so they've probably gotten better at compressing or not using as much space when they're do so but when you're talking about the size of the the world, the animations, the unique conversation, all of these different things, it's supposed to be about three times more options than Red Dead Redemption Two.

Duds: So I was a little disappointed with Red Dead too. Like I remember playing the first one, Red Dead, the the original one, I guess, on PS three maybe. And I I liked that one a lot. And then I

Bright: Yeah. I never played the first one. Yeah. Uhhuh. Yeah, yeah. And I I like that one. Sure.

Duds: was expecting 'cause Nate Dog was playing Red Dead too, I was expecting it to be really good. And it's it's fine. I just don't really like the the way you fight in it and I don't really like the controls that much. So I was getting kinda

Bright: Hmm.

Duds: bored with it and

Bright: Yeah, I didn't have a problem with that. The the thing that I run into and I'm sure I think it was an issue with GTA five and I'm sure it'll be an issue with GTA six now, especially as I'm older and I have less time to play video games. The only way that I'm gonna have time to play this game is to take off work and play while my kids are at school. And I have some stats on that too.

Duds: They can't sit there and watch you play.

Bright: Not Grand Theft Auto Six and they're not really interested in that yet. So every now and then my wife will be like, yeah, go play your game, I'll read a book, and I might get an hour or something like that before bed. I could do that. Sometimes though

Duds: An hour doesn't do anything though.

Bright: That's exactly it. It's not long enough. By the time you get situated, get figuring out what you're doing, you maybe you could do like a mission or something like that. And then you're like, well, now it's bedtime. Or you lose track of time, kinda like the shameless issue, and and now you're like, I told her I'd be up at ten o'clock and it's twelve thirty. And you're

Duds: Yep.

Bright: like, where did the time go?

Duds: And I think that actually kind of burns me out on games too, because I'll do that where

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: like to start a game like that, like Red Dead Redemption 2, it's like it's so slow to get started because I gotta show you how everything works and that

Bright: Mm-hmm. Sure.

Duds: so by the time I get through all that I'm like, my gosh, I've been playing this for like four hours, you know. Haven't done anything

Bright: And you haven't even done anything. Plus they do

Duds: and it's like two in the morning and I feel bad the next day. So I'm like, I'm not playing that anymore.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They do all the story set up at the beginning, so all the cutaways and all of these things and the tutorials.

Duds: Yeah, and I just I don't have time for that.

Bright: Yeah. Well and so and that's the thing, and that was my my point as I was gonna get to earlier, is that I usually lose interest in in the main storyline because

Duds: Right.

Bright: I've played it for so long and so I never actually finished these games. I I never finished Red Dead Redemption 2, although I really liked it. and I I did a lot of the side quests and I did the hunting things and I was like, it'd be cool to to collect all the bear teeth or whatever

Duds: Mm-hmm.

Bright: it is. And then but then you never do. And I'm like, why am I playing these hunting side quests? Like let me let me go play the main storyline.

Duds: The actual game.

Bright: And So I'll do that sometimes too, especially with games like Assassin's Creed. Like and I've gotten kind of bored

Duds: kinda hook you with those side quests and then you get like, What am I doing here?

Bright: Well they do. They hook you Yeah, yeah. And and that's the thing. And so Assassin's Creed I loved when it came out and and played a lot of at but they just come out every year and you're like, Okay, it's the same game. I don't need everyone. But again, and then they just got longer and longer, more storylines, and I like, I can't even finish the game anymore.

Duds: Right.

Bright: I was like, It's cool that the world's got bigger and there's more that you can do. I'm not saying that ain't cool, and same with with GTA six, but There's only so much time you can devote to it before you do eventually get burnt out, on the storyline, the gameplay, the side quest, whatever the case may be. So

Duds: Man, all the other old GTA games, I just remember I would do the missions and stuff at the beginning and then I would it would always devolve into just like killing as many people and getting chased by the cops,

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: see how long you could stay alive.

Bright: Sure. And th that's the thing. Eventually it turns into that. Now,

Duds: Mm-hmm.

Bright: I've heard some things about this game that are pretty cool and I didn't look this up because what I looked up was more like numbers based. But there is the there's on Netflix there's like a preview. They came out with this thirty minute preview I went and I watched, I think like last Saturday night with with my wife actually. We were like going to bed the graphics

Duds: I mean the graphics look amazing, obviously.

Bright: are out of control. the the storyline is a little bit different. You're pl you play as two different characters, so I think you Can go back and forth between these two characters. Actually, it was kind of like that in GTA 5. There were three different characters, but there's one male, one female, and the decisions that you make from the get-go affect later gameplay, which is pretty cool. So I've heard things like if you're super reckless early and you just go start shooting up a bunch of things and whatnot, then then the cops and the community will know who you are. And it it'll make the the chases harder, you'll the running away from the cops harder. People will report you, all kinds of things. So you have to be it's again it's more

Duds: Kind of like real life.

Bright: Yeah. It's way more realistic. And so some people are already starting to complain about that. The game hasn't even come out yet. But they're like, wait a minute, like am I gonna have to go fill up my gas tank before I go to a mission? Like could I run out of gas in the middle of a police chase? Like that might

Duds: Maybe.

Bright: not be fun, right? Or there were a couple of other

Duds: How realistic do you want

Bright: Really?

Duds: it to be?

Bright: Well and and that's the thing. So you have to put up you have to disguise yourself. I actually think this is really cool. If you don't disguise yourself, then the police will know who you are and they'll continue to know who you are until you change your appearance. So then you gotta go like spend money to get a haircut or buy new clothes or you have to steal a new car, things like that. Stealing cars has gotten harder. You can't just go carjack any car. And then the more expensive cars are even harder to carjack. And they'll have trackers in and other things so you have to have enough money to

Duds: Quite as easy.

Bright: no if you want to if you want that Lambo you gotta have the right tools to steal it and then you gotta get it to a chop shop that could take the tracker out and do all these different things before

Duds: Running through the paint shop.

Bright: you could yep before you could just drive it around willy-nilly so they've gotten they've gotten a little bit more realistic with with the tracking systems and and things like that so to me I'm like hey that that sounds cool Other people were like, wait a minute. The other thing with GTA five, and if you've seen these videos online, you know, you could go ramp, jump over an overpass and fly for like miles. Like the the the physics of the game made no sense. And that's the

Duds: yeah, very unrealistic. So this is supposed to be way more correct.

Bright: rumor. yes. That that is the rumor that when cars crash into things, that that's gonna be it. you're not you're gonna jump and you're gonna land like you would and not flying over a two miles of highway.

Duds: I wonder if people will like the how more realistic it is and if that'll take away from the fun, because nobody's gonna be a great driver.

Bright: Correct. That's what's that's what some people are saying that Right, right. And did I did I tell you? I th I can't remember if I told you, I know I told people. Before we went over to England, I started playing a game and I'm trying to remember what it was. it was What is that game and you can control all the technology that you could control stop lights?

Duds: th yeah, I know what you're talking about. It was something dogs, watch dogs or yeah.

Bright: Yeah, Watchdogs. Yep. I so Watch Dogs Three takes place in London and I had already played the game. Again, I don't think I ever finished it. but I went back and played it before London and just practiced driving. I was just I

Duds: yeah, I think you said that. Just practice driving on the wrong side.

Bright: was just driving around on the wrong side of the road, checking out the roundabouts and and things like that. Yeah, yeah.

Duds: That was a good game. I I played that one on on PS three, I think also. PS four, PS three.

Bright: Yeah. All three all three of those were good. I think Watchdogs Two was really good and then Watch Dogs Three got got big and you could play as any character in the game you could play as, which again was like cool, but Yeah. Yeah yeah.

Duds: It had a cool concept, you know. It was like using your cellphone for a lot of the stuff, right, in the game.

Bright: Right. Yeah, exactly. And you you'd ha you'd hack all kinds of different things and then you get different hacking abilities. Yeah, yeah. So that that was a really good game.

Duds: You know another game I really liked was all the what was that one? Man, what is it called? It was where he was like an adventure guy. It was kinda like Indiana Jones, J Drake, what was it? it was on Playstation, so you might not know it.

Bright: Yeah, I don't I don't know too many PlayStation games. I mean I'm sure I've heard of it, but is it they made the movie out of it?

Duds: What was that? Yeah, I'm sure you have. Yeah.

Bright: It was actually a really good movie with Mark Wahlberg and the Spider Man guy. Uncharted. Uncharted. Uncharted. Yeah,

Duds: Was that? Uncharted. Yeah, that was a good

Bright: Uncharted. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I never played the game. Same with like of like Tomb Raider.

Duds: It's kinda like Tomb Raider.

Bright: Yeah. The Last of Us, like ne I never

Duds: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Bright: played that, but but now that the show has come out, I'm like, I would play it, except I don't do Playstation. So you need some of those exclusives to come over to Xbox. I do find it funny 'cause there's been some Xbox exclusives that have moved over to Playstation, but I don't know that we've actually had any Playstation exclusives hit Xbox.

Duds: surprised they still do the exclusives. I thought almost everything was kinda multi platform now.

Bright: Yeah. I know. So that that is something. So GTA six is gonna be Xbox and PlayStation, but the port to PC isn't gonna come out supposedly for like two years. So

Duds: really?

Bright: some people yeah, some people are kinda pissed about that. So you you're gonna have to have you have to have an and I'm assuming pr I mean I'm pretty confident I didn't look this

Duds: Pretty decent computer.

Bright: up. You need you need well even forget about that. You probably will need a pretty a gaming computer. But you're gonna need a new Xbox. You're not gonna be able to play on the old Xbox or the old PlayStation. You're gonna need a

Duds: I wouldn't imagine.

Bright: Xbox Series X or whatever.

Duds: Yeah, the newest one.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah, which I don't think any of us have. do you have the newest PlayStation? I think you did, didn't you get it for your son? Yeah.

Duds: Yeah, the PS five. Yeah.

Bright: Yeah. So and I got I got the new Xbox, but like Nilla, who said he was gonna join today, I think he was like, I like that topic and then he

Duds: Bastard.

Bright: he's like, No, I know.

Duds: Liar.

Bright: Bobcat Man, n none of them have it. And I understand the time,

Duds: anti Bitcoin.

Bright: you get older, all of that stuff. What'd you say about

Duds: You like how his his his signal name on there always says anti Bitcoin?

Bright: I yeah, for sure. Yeah. And I I I kept I was like, I n I'm the only one I think without a name on signal. And I was like, I gotta come up with something, but I can't think of anything.

Duds: Let's come up with something.

Bright: The only thing I could come up was with was the producer. Yeah. I guess I could be podcat the podcaster

Duds: Head podcaster. Lead podcaster.

Bright: or something. Le yeah, don't know. So all right, well let's let's get into some of the numbers. We already talked about how the the budget was two billion dollars, which is insane in and of itself. But compare that to the

Duds: we say it was more than the Berg Debye, is that what it was called?

Bright: I ha I have that somewhere. it's later on in the notes. But yes. it was more expensive than that. It's in line with like GDPs of of several countries.

Duds: Small nations.

Bright: Yes. Several cr like Guam, which I know is technically a part of the United States, but the GDP for Guam is less than two billion. Now that's that's yearly, I think, but

Duds: What countries you have it?

Bright: here it is. The construction value of the is it how do you pronounce that? The Burj Khalifa? Yeah. One

Duds: Yeah. Galief, I think.

Bright: point Kali Khali well it says Khalifa here. But one point five billion. Yeah.

Duds: Right. Crazy.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah. Now Nila made a good point in the group chat that that was twenty thirteen money. But e but but again, the two billion

Duds: Sure, yeah. So double that.

Bright: dollars, two billion dollars has stretched out over the last ten years. So

Duds: Right.

Bright: we're probably going back to twenty sixteen. So

Duds: And to see what country's GDP is less than two billion. That's not very big.

Bright: No. That's a country.

Duds: Sixteen countries.

Bright: Yeah. That's why I said Guam. And that Guam's not even a country.

Duds: Solomon Islands,

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: Comoros, Granada, some of these Samoa, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, St. Kitts, so like a lot of the small c like islands. Smallest. Have you ever heard of Tuvalu?

Bright: Yeah. Yeah, small Caribbean island, yeah. I mean Saint Kitts is small. It's a it's a never heard of two both? Nope.

Duds: Sixty five million is their GDP.

Bright: Hm. Alright, there you go. Times that by ten, that's six hundred and fifty million dollars. So over the course of ten years they they don't reach the budget of this game. Of

Duds: Not even close.

Bright: course, granite we've never heard of the country, so But we've heard of Rockstar. We've heard of Take Two. That says something. Well, all right. What about the most expensive how gonna make on it? Well, I have that.

Duds: I wonder how much they're gonna make on it. Think they're gonna make all that back? Okay. But it's stop interrupting.

Bright: I let's get to it. I do have that information, but I don't wanna go looking for it. We gotta we gotta go down the the line, otherwise I end up all over the place. But the most expensive movie ever made isn't even close to this. What do you think that might be?

Duds: is it well, I think at one point it was Avatar, but I don't know if it's probably been upset by then. Not one of the more recent ones,

Bright: No, it's yeah. Yeah. Yep. Definitely.

Duds: so

Bright: It's it's a Disney owned franchise.

Duds: Mm, Lightyear maybe? That's f is that Disney? No.

Bright: Toy Story? No. Yeah, that is Disney. Yeah.

Duds: Is it? yeah, Disney Pixar.

Bright: Yeah, yeah. No.

Duds: so it's another Disney movie. Is it a live action movie or is an animated? Okay. Is it a

Bright: It is live action.

Duds: like a Marvels thing?

Bright: Close, but no.

Duds: Not I don't know. Star Wars, okay. Which one?

Bright: Star Wars. Star Wars. Yep. The Force Awakens. W and I think that was is that the last one or or I think that was the last one. I know. The

Duds: I kinda stopped after like the second episode.

Bright: yeah. The the new trilogy was not great. I think I the first one I think was okay. And then it was the Rise of Skywalker and I think that was kinda like and I think the Force Awakens unless the Force Awakens was the first one. Maybe that was the first one and then the third one was anyhow.

Duds: Yeah, I don't think I I don't think I saw episode three and then what was it, seven,

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: eight, and nine? I never saw any of those.

Bright: You never saw episode three?

Duds: I don't think so. I think I saw one and two.

Bright: when Anakin turns into Darth Vader? Yeah, I don't think I ever saw that.

Duds: Yeah, I don't think I ever saw that.

Bright: That's the best one of all of them. Is it? Yeah. I think it's better than the originals.

Duds: Is it? So the last one I think I saw was when Yoda was like doing all the lightsaber fighting. Was that the second? Yeah, I think that was the last one I saw.

Bright: Yeah, that's that's two. That's the Clone Wars. dude. All right, you gotta go back and watch Revenge of the Sith, episode three.

Duds: Okay. Haven't seen it.

Bright: It is by far it's kinda like the first half of it, a little you like get to the point, but the second half of it and like w when you actually see the transition, Anakin to Darth Vader, you're like, Holy hell, this was perfect. It was great. And then the other one that was really good, if you never saw this one, it's a standalone, was Rogue One.

Duds: Okay. I don't I haven't seen that.

Bright: That phenomenal. And of course it connects. It's the bridge actually between episode

Duds: Mandalorian?

Bright: three and episode four. so it's it's r

Duds: Isn't that part of too, The Mandalorian?

Bright: Yeah, I d I've never seen a single Mandalorian. Again, eventually it's kinda like GTA six. Eventually you only have so much time to devote to these things. I'll watch some of the bigger movies and I do like the Obi Wan show and they're gonna make s the rumor is is that he wants to make more of those and I'll like I'll watch Obi Wan, but I can't watch Mandalorian. I can't watch it's just too much. I don't I c and I'm not into it enough. I'm into it just enough. Yeah.

Duds: So before we can t before we continue on with the GTA, is the correct way to watch Star Wars from the beginning like the fifth or fourth episode? Four, five, six? One, two, three? That's how you're supposed to watch it? What

Bright: Yeah, it's four five four five six one two three seven eight nine. That's how you're supposed to line. Correct.

Duds: if you watch it one through nine? Is that wrong? It just doesn't make sense that way or

Bright: It does make sense that way and no, it is not wrong. And I've thought about this with like my kids. If I wanted to introduce Frankie to Star

Duds: Right. How would you do it?

Bright: Wars, how and he has watched the animated Star Wars and so he's like somewhat familiar. And I think we tried to watch I tried to show him not even the whole movie, but I tried to show him like the race scene in episode one and young Anakin

Duds: Mm-hmm. The drone race? Yeah.

Bright: that yeah, and Jar Jar. I like, maybe he'll get it he wasn't he's still too young for that. But that's why I was like, okay, maybe I'm curious, 'cause obviously we did four, five, six,

Duds: Right.

Bright: one, two, three, and I was like, what if I started one and then just went through? The only the big issue with it is, and this is definitely a tangent, is like the graphics

Duds: Right.

Bright: and stuff. Like for a for a a kid of my son's generation to watch episode four, five, six with just terrible special effects and graphics after watching one, two, three and right. It it's like remember trying to get the R Correct.

Duds: They might not be interested. It'd be hard to do it either way because it'd be hard to start there because they'd be like, not interested in it. And then if you go one, two, three,

Bright: Yeah, a hundred percent.

Duds: and then you go back to those, they're like, Well, why does it look so bad? It would seem like the correct

Bright: Yes, yes. And so I always wondered if

Duds: order is to go four, five, six, though, because that's how he did it. That's how he released it. So that was the intention was to do that. Right.

Bright: Yes, correct. That was how how the author intended, right? Or how the artist intended, for sure. Yeah. Think about wa going back and watching old movies with your dad and they were in black and white or y like you

Duds: Couldn't stand them.

Bright: c you you couldn't stand That's exactly my point. You couldn't get into them.

Duds: Why are we watching this?

Bright: Right, right. Like turn on something with some color or some explosions or I don't know. And yet they're good movies. Right?

Duds: Yeah. I think Jameson would watch him. I mean he's

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: at the age where he'd probably get interested in that. Potentially. Might ask him. See. He's been looking for I think we

Bright: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Duds: have watched the first one. Maybe we tried watching it at least. Not the first. Not the first one, the the fourth one.

Bright: Right. Right. Yeah. Well eventually eventually some friend will be into it and then he'll want to get into it or or something. But or it'll be just a guy's weekend, the girls are away and you're like, let's knock these out. We're just we're just gonna have a movie weekend, right? So it's a lot of movies, yeah.

Duds: It's a lot of movies. And they're all probably like two hours long too.

Bright: Yeah, at least. I think some of are two and a half hours long. Yeah, yeah. So The Force Awakens was six hundred and thirty-nine million dollars. And that's the biggest budgeted movie of all time. Six

Duds: Six hundred and thirty nine.

Bright: hundred and thirty-nine. Yeah. And so r you know, this is this is again, this is two billion potentially. Right. Now

Duds: Four t almost four times. Yeah. Three.

Bright: again, the making of it was over a lot longer, but the question is, like, has gaming surpassed movies as a bigger blockbuster entertainment medium?

Duds: The crazy thing is it's all done on a computer, you know? I

Bright: Sure, yeah.

Duds: mean I'm sure they do they even do like the human movements and stuff, like do they record those?

Bright: I I think they do. I think they do. And they've gotten better at it for sure. obviously voiceovers and things like that. Kinda like

Duds: So there is some stuff you have to do, like with people in real life and

Bright: Yeah, probably. Probably. Like sports games, they still hook up the little knobs

Duds: Right.

Bright: and and do all and that and they can make things more realistic. The digits, the yeah, the movements become more realistic. Golf swings, basketball shots. and they hook up these famous athletes to do it. Now I don't know if they're hooking up criminals for GTA six. Gi Gimme

Duds: Mm-hmm.

Bright: your money. I don't I don't know. But

Duds: Gonna get the side.

Bright: Yeah, they you have to do the side. but yeah, so I I don't know. I it it looks

Duds: Still seems like a huge budget.

Bright: Yes, yeah, it is it is huge. So here's what I was saying earlier compared to to GTA five and Red Dead Redemption. GTA six has six hundred thousand plus they don't even know the actual number, animations. Wow Yeah.

Duds: Wow. Like like people?

Bright: G GTA yes, people, movements, right. Compare that to GTA five, fifty five thousand. Wow. And to go back and play GTA five, it's still a good game. Yeah, that's

Duds: Yeah, that's pretty nuts.

Bright: pretty nuts. Red Dead Redemption had three hundred thousand, so this is double that in that respect. Yeah. Eleven times the Red Dead also.

Duds: It's same company, right? Rockstar did Red Dead also, right?

Bright: Yep. Uh-huh. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

Duds: They're big into those giant games.

Bright: Rockstar even created a dedicated LA team that was focused solely on making the game's non player characters feel individually designed rather than procedurally generated. So each non player character was Right. And then you'd

Duds: So people don't just like appear like in the old games where you just like driving down the street and

Bright: see one, and that would be the same guy you saw earlier.

Duds: Mm-hmm.

Bright: Like, that's not gonna happen here.

Duds: Cars would just kind of appear.

Bright: Yeah. Right. That's not gonna happen. And the other thing is like the police chase, that same deal. Like you used to be you could look at the mini map and see where the kind of the police were. Nope. Now you gotta actually be paying attention in the game and they're gonna be on more realistic patrols, not necessarily just in a certain spot at a certain time. Like they're g actually gonna be patrolling and you have to be paying attention to see where they are. You can't just look at the map and be like, I'm gonna go the other way 'cause that's not real life.

Duds: I'm sure it'll still have to be rendered somewhat close to the playing character though. I mean they're not gonna have the whole game rendered the whole time. That would just take up too much too much space. Yeah.

Bright: You wouldn't think so. That would take up, yeah. Too much processing. Sure. Yeah. There has to be some some rules there. I don't know how that works, but individual rooms have intentionally designed people, furniture, drinks, photos, tattoos, family pictures. Just in case you walk into a room and you want to inspect all the photos, the magnets on the fridge. So it's not just like let's make the map bigger, it's like let's make the details. Yeah. Yeah.

Duds: The details. Yep. I know they were talking about like sweat glistening on people and blades of grass.

Bright: Right, right. And you can do all those things now be sure. Yeah. It's crazy. The graphics, the sea the processing power for sure. So yeah, GTA five launched in twenty thirteen and this it releases November nineteenth. So thirteen years. It's yeah, it's crazy to think of that between the games. GTA five, blah, blah, blah, cost $265 million. That was GTA five, two sixty-five. Here's how much money it made, though. So you were asking how much money is GTA six gonna make. GTA GTA five made eight hundred million dollars in its first twenty four hours. my god. So they almost quadrupled

Duds: my gosh. Twenty four hours.

Bright: their investment in the first twenty four hours.

Duds: That's crazy.

Bright: Yes. And then in the first weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday essentially, it made a billion dollars. Yeah. It's insane.

Duds: So they're expecting this to probably make you know, five, six billion dollars easy.

Bright: I I think I do have that as I scroll as we scroll down here. So give me a second here. Two hundred and thirty plus million copies of GTA five sold.

Duds: Let's see two billion. Divided by eighty bucks.

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: So that's twenty five million copies just to make their budget.

Bright: twenty five million. All right, well they sold two hundred and thirty million of GTA five. So do th do that math. What's two hundred and thirty million times eighty bucks? Yeah.

Duds: million times eighty. It's eighteen and a half billion.

Bright: Eighteen and a half billion. And that's if that's if only the people that bought GTA five buy GTA six. They have a whole new audience. They have younger people. I think they're trying to appeal more to women gamers now that you can play a female character.

Duds: Okay.

Bright: So that's something. And then the other thing is is that you can spend money in the game, real life money, I think, in the game. And I think they're banking

Duds: of course.

Bright: they're of course, they're banking on that as well. So they'll continue to make money. And then GTA six online isn't even launching. So GTA five i eventually got the online version, which people I think are still r into. but they're not gonna launch that for potentially another two years.

Duds: Wow.

Bright: So they're everybody's gonna wanna play the regular game and then they're gonna launch the online version, which I'm sure will cost more money, and then you'll have to pay to continue to play that

Duds: That won't be included, huh?

Bright: game essentially. No, Nope.

Duds: I wonder how that'll be. Just open world with a bunch of people in it? Chaos.

Bright: I don't I never played I never I that I never did. I never played GTA five online. I know City burned down. Yeah,

Duds: Could see that whole city burning down.

Bright: for sure. J Bird played it. So I think

Duds: The Homeland.

Bright: we might Yeah, he played the online. But maybe if I get into this game, maybe I'll play the online too. granted I'll be almost forty-five when the online version comes out, but that's

Duds: Is this old man?

Bright: all right. I know, right? Well think about think about that. Where were you when GTA five came out in twenty thirteen?

Duds: Yeah, that was a while ago.

Bright: I had just met my wife. Yeah. So D C D C yeah. Tell me that

Duds: yeah. I was living out living out in DC, so I remember when the the first GTA came out. When we were in high school.

Bright: s I don't know if I like I feel like I feel like GTA three or Vice City was the one that the first one that I really remember. Which

Duds: Somebody has

Bright: one I can't remember which one came first. GTA three I definitely remember and I remember Vice City, I just can't remember which one was first. Okay.

Duds: I think Vice City was before that. Yeah. so the first one, which was the the not the I can't remember what that like the first PlayStation one was. The computer game, like the overhead map looking one. Look like kind of Nintendo y. That

Bright: Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Duds: we were in high school for and it might have came out a little bit before that even, but somebody I remember being in a computer lab for a class and they had brought it and they had loaded it onto the computers in our class so people could play it in at school.

Bright: Yeah. It's not gonna f fly right. Drug deals and I don't know if they had all that in the original game, but prostitution. Sure. Right. Right. Right. Yeah.

Duds: I don't I mean, it was such bad graphics. You were just like a little person running around, you know. It looked like just very blocky, but it was fun. And I think the whole game was probably just a few megabytes, you know, it wasn't anything.

Bright: Well, i it was at s certainly at the time it was probably the idea of being able to step into a world and commit crimes, hold people up, steal cars,

Duds: Mm-hmm.

Bright: right? Things that you would never do, reasonable people anyway, in real life.

Duds: Yep. Yeah, you could do little missions, I remember. And the driving it was

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: really difficult because you could only see this much of the screen. And your car

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: was like, you know, two car lengths away from the edge of the screen. So as soon as you started driving, there'd be a car there, you'd have to swerve out of the way. It was it was fun game though. It was interesting.

Bright: Right, right. Ugh. H have you ever played any GTA and you're like, I'm gonna follow the rules of the road. Yeah, I've I've definitely done that before, you know, it doesn't

Duds: Tried to. And didn't last long. Stop at the stoplights.

Bright: Yes right. Yeah. The speed limit, you're like, I'm going too fast. yeah.

Duds: Yeah. No, it doesn't last very long. You're like, this isn't any fun.

Bright: Alright, well in 2013, did you have the new iPhone? It was the iPhone 5S in 2013. 16 gigabytes, 200 bucks. we

Duds: I don't even think I had a s I might have had a smartphone. I might have had a smartphone. I did not have an iPhone.

Bright: r I I referenced Breaking Bad earlier. Breaking Bad was still airing new episodes in 2013. Do you remember do you remember Vine? TikTok wasn't even a thing yet. It was Vine.

Duds: Mm-hmm.

Bright: What a failure Vine was. Like that could have been TikTok. How do you think the people that came up with Vine are like, We really F that up? I never even

Duds: I never even used it or

Bright: I neither neither did I, but I do remember it. I remember it being a thing.

Duds: I do remember the the name. I don't remember what it did.

Bright: Yeah. It basically I mean it it it was only the six second long videos, I think is what it was.

Duds: Okay.

Bright: So it was you had to you had to watch the video quick. It was in, out, onto the next one. Which is what TikTok is. They just don't have the the six second limitation anymore. But the idea essentially is the same. And that's that's where I'm sure those

Duds: Is that what it was? It was six seconds.

Bright: six seconds. It w your video was limited to six seconds. Yeah.

Duds: Dang. Yeah, what can you do in six seconds?

Bright: you could a lot, app apparently.

Duds: So Bitcoin price was only like thirteen dollars.

Bright: Thirteen bucks in twenty thirteen, huh?

Duds: Yeah. It ended the year at seven hundred and sixty dollars. You believe that?

Bright: damn.

Duds: Yeah, it went from it went from January one was thirteen twenty five, went to seven sixty seven on it actually went up to almost twelve hundred dollars that year. And then went back down. But it went

Bright: Of course I didn't have any money in twenty thirteen.

Duds: up sixty times it that year.

Bright: That's insane. Yeah. Made a lot of people rich, I'm sure.

Duds: Yeah, so you could have put like five grand into it back in those days.

Bright: Yeah, yeah.

Duds: Could have had three hundred and seventy seven Bitcoin.

Bright: Mm mm mm. All right. Continuing on.

Duds: That would not be worth the budget though of GTA six.

Bright: Yeah. Nope. You're right. You're right. so the estimated number right now is that they're gonna sell forty million copies in their first year. So in their first year they're estimated

Duds: Forty million.

Bright: to make th yeah, three point two billion dollars first year. Five billion by twenty thirty.

Duds: Forty million times eighty. Yeah, three point two billion.

Bright: Yeah. Yep.

Duds: What did we say before? How many did they sell? Weren't we saying eighteen billion?

Bright: Yeah, over the lifetime I mean over thirteen years, two hundred and thirty million copies sold over

Duds: Okay. That's what we did.

Bright: over ten to thirteen years, right? So and I think people are buying it and some people are buying it again. I think that's the thing. Some

Duds: It's crazy that it it had that many that many sales after the first year. Like it still had Yeah.

Bright: Sure. Yeah. Well, peop people grow into it. It's a game you might might not be allowed to play when you're twelve, but then when you're sixteen you're like, All right, I'm gonna play this game now. Right? My mom doesn't care anymore.

Duds: Yeah, I would've I would've expected like, you know, fifty percent of the sales at least in the first year, but

Bright: Sure. Yeah, yeah. Yep.

Duds: Not quite.

Bright: All right. So a couple of stats about the game. It takes place in the state of Leonida, which is essentially Florida. The main city is Vice City, which

Duds: Some Miami.

Bright: is Miami. Yeah. And then like I said, there's two protagonists, Jason Duvall and Lucia Caminos. They're a couple forced to rely on each other after a score goes wrong and they get pulled into a larger criminal conspiracy.

Duds: Mm.

Bright: So you c you can watch the extended look on on Netflix. It's pretty pretty cool. But I think they're estimating it to be an eighty to one hundred hour story arc. So going back to what we were talking about before. Just the main story.

Duds: Hundred hours.

Bright: Not even the side quest and you

Duds: Right.

Bright: just messing around. Eighty to a hundred hours.

Duds: That's crazy.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah. So that again, so that becomes the question, are will you get this game or no?

Duds: I don't know. I mean, if I get it, the kids are gonna wanna play it. So I can't let that happen.

Bright: Can't you just say like this is my game, you're not allowed to play it. I can lock

Duds: I can I can lock it down on the on the Playstation, so

Bright: it down. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Duds: I don't know, I might. I don't know. It's one of those things. I feel like I would buy it and probably not play it.

Bright: Yeah. Well I definitely I definitely will buy it. I will play it. I read something today and it's not in my notes, but that the US economy expects to lose one billion dollars of GDP or be

Duds: Because people will be wasting their time playing this.

Bright: Because people not either either they'll be wasting their time or using office hours to play it, or they'll just take PTO. So everybody's gonna

Duds: Using office hours.

Bright: take a bunch a bunch of PTO when the game is released. So like you take up

Duds: So that's when you can play it, you know, in between meetings.

Bright: Yeah, of course. Why not? Nobody's any of the wiser. Yeah. Like just make sure that you move your team's mouse a little bit every now and then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure

Duds: Right. Hook it up to your T V right there and

Bright: I'm sure there are people that are doing that.

Duds: A hundred percent.

Bright: Yeah, a hundred yeah, definitely. So I I could see myself taking off like Thanksgiving the family will be home. So I'll have to take off The Friday before Thanksgiving and maybe Monday Tuesday when the kids are still at school so that I can play the game.

Duds: Gonna dedicate three days to it, huh?

Bright: yeah, for sure. W

Duds: Is that just like an all day thing, sit in the basement playing it?

Bright: Well, I mean, I can't do that for eight hours

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: anymore, but I could probably do like two hour blocks, get up and do something. Right? Get up, do something, come back to it.

Duds: Not feel like a complete slug.

Bright: Yeah, every now and then it's okay. Yeah, if if you only do it one day every six months or whatever. You have a day to yourself, you're like, All right, I'm gonna lock myself in the basement and I'm just gonna just gonna go for it.

Duds: Don't you just feel so like worthless though?

Bright: Yeah. I mean sometimes 'cause it's like if I know I have stuff to do, you forget about work, just like personal life stuff. If I'm like, I said I was gonna paint the bathroom or Yeah.

Duds: I said I was gonna shower today and I didn't do it.

Bright: See, I'm too old for that stuff now, right? Like I do all those things that I have to do.

Duds: I haven't showered in three days.

Bright: Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no. That I have there's no that's not gonna happen, right? I'm I was listening to Rosudo podcast today and Moon was talking about how he was playing I forget what game he said he was playing. I think it was Halo. He was talking about playing Halo years ago. And he was just sitting there, he said he ate a whole pack of Oreos.

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: Not like a sleeve, the whole case.

Duds: It's a lot of Oreos.

Bright: In one sitting, it's a lot of Oreos and they were talking about the calories and it was like I fre it was like twelve thousand, eighteen thousand calories or something like that. But he ate he ate in one sitting, like a one hour block or less.

Duds: I could imagine he was probably like went to grab another one and was like, my gosh, they're all gone. What happened?

Bright: Right. Exactly. Exactly. And he was he was young enough at that stage in his life though it it didn't matter, right? Like if you ate a a whole sleeve of or not even a sleeve, a whole box of Oreos now, you're gonna be feeling that for a while. and and you're gonna be bloated. You probably put on a couple pounds. Yeah, you would think so. Yeah. Yep. Nope, nope, nope.

Duds: I would think so. It can't be good. Cannot be good for ya. Don't even know what's in those.

Bright: Double double stuffed, I know that much. all right. So to wrap up GTA six, if you're listening, if you made it this far, forty eight minutes in, let us know. Drop us a line, plug it in the comments, give us a like, a subscribe, whatever. give us a a note on the website, nfnpepod.com. Let us know if you're gonna buy it, if you're excited for it, how much you would pay.

Duds: Are you gonna be a law abiding a law abiding GTA player or a criminal? What are you gonna do?

Bright: Yeah. That doesn't law abiding, that doesn't exist. Maybe they should give you the option to play as the police, right? Yeah, it could be fun. Yeah.

Duds: You gonna abide by all the traffic laws? That would be kind of fun. Maybe the online will let you do that, let you lock people up.

Bright: Right, right. I have seen some of these videos where these online people disguise themselves as a store clerk. And they wait for a player to come in on the online version and and then they leave or they get chased out and then they blow up their cars and do all

Duds: Nice.

Bright: kinds of weird things and and the people are like, What just happened? Yeah, yeah.

Duds: Be like, what's that what's that movie that the guy was in it where he was the N P C but he kinda became came to life? Yeah.

Bright: Yeah. Ryan Reynolds. It was a pretty decent movie. We saw that at the drive-in. We went to the drive-in and saw that movie. Yeah.

Duds: It was a pretty good movie. Where they kind of like all become self aware then

Bright: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they made did they even make a second one? I don't remember. I'm trying to remember the name of it. It was the something guy. Yeah. W was it

Duds: Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty good.

Bright: like NPC guy or I don't know. Yeah, it was funny. It was funny. The idea was there. All right, local in the loo or bitcoin?

Duds: We'll save Bitcoin to the end.

Bright: Alright, let's do local in the loo. start with the blues. I got a a couple of stories on the blues. but first, we'll start with the bad story. And I don't know if you heard about this. Did you hear about the 21-year-old ASU player and blues prospect that collapsed and had a cardiac event during practice? Yeah. Not great. So twenty-one year old Matthew Maych Mayich. he was a drafted blues prospect, drafted in the sixth round, 170th overall back in 2023. Transferred to Arizona State this offseason, so he had just gotten there after playing his freshman year at Clarkson. at Clarkson, he scored 34 seven goals in 34 games, eight assists, 15 points, and he was a plus thirteen. He was listed at six foot three, two hundred and five pounds sophomore. Drafted, drafted in twenty twenty three, and he's so he's just a sophomore, which is

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: kind of crazy. but on August 20th, he collapsed during an outdoor team workout in Tempe, Arizona at ASU. Emergency responders described it as a heat related message. Medical emergency. Yep,

Duds: So I was wondering if it was like a heat stroke. Yeah.

Bright: basically. And Phoenix was under an extreme heat warning for the day. But yet they continued with a quote unquote military style workout. And the workout was reportedly led by a former military member, not an ASU employee of any kind. So they brought this guy in and they were doing sprints, pushups, planks, bear claws, and and you had to do it again if you failed instructions or fell behind, right? Which we've all done that.

Duds: Sure.

Bright: We've we've done this with high school sports, college sports, all the things. but there's there's different rules in place now. my you have some of that extreme

Duds: Well and I mean you have to some of that extreme heat, you know. I mean, even in even in high school you still had to kind of be aware of that when it's over a hundred degrees out, you know.

Bright: For sure. I remember having two a days with soccer and we would start at seven in the morning. So we'd have seven to nine. We'd get a one hour break from nine to ten and then we'd go again from ten to noon. So that w that was our high school practice.

Duds: yeah. I don't even know if they do two days anymore.

Bright: I don't in college we did three a days.

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: I I we had to wake up and either run or lift at five AM, then we'd go to have have breakfast, then we'd have our morning practice, and then we'd have school or we'd have a break if it was before school started, and then we'd have our afternoon practice. If we couldn't do the morning practice because school started, then we did the run and the l and or the lift, s then school from like nine till three, practice from three to five, dinner Scrimmage from seven to nine.

Duds: Yep. Yeah, that's how football was too in college. It was it was basically from from

Bright: Crazy. three a day. Absurd.

Duds: from breakfast up to like nine or ten in at night doing like meetings and stuff and then do it all do it all again. It was like four weeks long.

Bright: Yeah. Insane. Yeah. And I remember skipping my practice or my practices, my classes. My first class of the day, I went back to my room after running f three, five miles, whatever we had to do, and I'd take a nap and then I'd wake up, first class was over. Yeah.

Duds: Yep, that's a great way to start school.

Bright: Tell me about it. Somehow I pa I did pass that class.

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: I I don't I don't know how. I only went to I think two classes. I showed up for the midterm and the final and I passed.

Duds: What was it?

Bright: It was World Religions. Yeah. Yeah. It was a

Duds: Something you're very aware of. Very in tune to.

Bright: maybe I had some help because of because I went to a private Catholic high school and this was also a private Catholic college. So I had to take two religion c classes, which of course were ended up being wasted credits. I also I also had to take a you need for your degree or not? No.

Duds: Didn't you need him for your degree or not? I guess you didn't graduate from there, right?

Bright: Correct. No. Eventually I transferred. Didn't need so six six credit hours wasted. Yeah.

Duds: So they wouldn't even transfer, huh? That is an elective or anything?

Bright: It it may have transferred as an elective. It may have. It may have transferred as an elective. But

Duds: It's not a total waste.

Bright: no Yeah, not a total waste. and then I did I did had have to take a college athlete class. That was only half a semester, so it was only like one point five credits, and all college athletes at this school had to take it. That was a complete waste.

Duds: What is that about?

Bright: th trying to prepare you for college

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: life and being an athlete as well clearly failed because Yeah,

Duds: Sounds they just money grab, I think.

Bright: a hundred percent. And so there was only so many other options that you could take to fill out your I needed to find another one and a half credit course. So the one that I chose was career development, which is also a waste of a class, man. 'Cause I didn't know what my major was gonna be and they w they like helped you narrow it down.

Duds: More west.

Bright: I know. That was our other economy c

Duds: College.

Bright: class, ca the college debt crisis. I mean this is why. It's cause you're taking classes like this.

Duds: Well, I do agree with that. There's a I mean, I think when I f went to school, I think it was like a hundred and twenty eight or a hundred and thirty credit hours, which was down from before that. I think you had to have like a hundred and fifty hours or something to graduate. And a

Bright: Yeah. Yeah.

Duds: lot of that is just junk. Like you don't even need it. And I think they just I

Bright: Yeah. It's one hundred twenty now, right?

Duds: think it was one twenty eight when I graduated. But it it varies from school to school in, you know, in each degree. And they that was actually

Bright: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Right. Sure. Yeah.

Duds: lower than what it had been in the previous years. But there's a bunch

Bright: Yeah. Right.

Duds: of I mean, you take like twenty, thirty electives, it's like, why? Why do I need all these? Like

Bright: Yeah. I know. And that was the thing. And I think I remember my freshman my first semester freshman year I only took twelve credit hours. because my dad my dad told me he was also a college athlete and he said he almost flunked out his freshman year and he wanted to make sure that that didn't happen. Yeah.

Duds: It's real. I mean, you you don't wanna take a lot of if you're playing a sport, you definitely don't wanna overload yourself.

Bright: Sure. Yeah. And that was his whole thing. He was like, You're gonna be spending a lot of time your f freshman year with soccer and then I also played tennis. I was a two sport athlete, you know. So so in the spring I had that. So three of those twelve credit hours were career development and college athlete class. And then one one was world religions that I I never went to. So so

Duds: Yeah, I think I was averaging like thirteen or fourteen hours for like the first couple of years, and then I was like, man, I gotta catch up. So I started trying taking eighteen

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: credit hours and I would always have to fail one class 'cause it was it's like, gotta drop that. Yeah.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you had it yeah, you had a drop something. Well, I started taking classes over the summer at the local community college. a lot of the electives that you could do like meteorology I took to fulfill some science class. I took some art history class and they w they would show the episodes on PBS. And so I I remember setting my TiVo to record the episodes on PBS. You could watch whenever you wanted, and then you'd have to go in and take the tests. Yep. Those those were the days, man. It's all BS. It's just a money grab.

Duds: I would love to go back to college. It was so much fun.

Bright: Yeah. And you dominate it now. That's the thing. It it would be really easy, I'm sure, now. Tomorrow would be a PC. Yeah. You don't realize how easy it is. Right. Right. Yeah. It's fun.

Duds: I know. it'd be a piece of cake. You don't realize how easy it is till you get out and you're like, that's that was f fun. Like you just had to go to class a couple of times a day?

Bright: Right. Easy. And then you take a nap, then

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: you get to go hang out. You get party during the week. Right.

Duds: Do a little homework, not a big deal. You act like it's such a struggle, you know.

Bright: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Unless unless you get locked into some kind of military style workout in a hundred and fifteen degrees. You know, which again is what happened to this kid and they said hydration breaks were at a minimum. So they were hardly giving anybody water breaks.

Duds: Less stupid.

Bright: N of course it is. I it it's stupid. And he remains hospitalized and his family's attorney said that his condition is irreversible and there's probably no chance of recovery. So this guy's gonna this kid's gonna die. Yeah.

Duds: Really? Wow.

Bright: Yeah. The Blues released a statement th that the organization is keeping him close at heart and supporting the family, friends and teammates while he remains under medical care. so I mean just imagine just running running a kid to death, essentially.

Duds: Yeah, for what?

Bright: I know. That that's the thing. Like, for what? To to build toughness? Like what are you gonna learn about his hockey

Duds: You achieve that.

Bright: skills? Right. What are you gonna learn about his hockey skills based on running sprints and and doing push ups? I understand the need to do it to be fit and strong, but to do a workout like this where

Duds: Well, I mean, skating on the ice is you can exercise on the ice and do just as hard of a workout and not be in a hundred degree heat and it's just

Bright: Completely different, obviously. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.

Duds: as str I mean, probably more strenuous. So I don't see the point.

Bright: Yeah. Well look at look at the movie Miracle, right? And I mean it happened in real life. It's a true story where Herb Brooks kept blowing the whistle again,

Duds: Right.

Bright: again, and they just kept people were puking. But it ain't a hundred it ain't a hundred and ten, a hundred and fifteen degrees out. It's yeah.

Duds: That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Ridiculous.

Bright: Ugh. They need to be smarter. Where do you draw the line? W what about the person that's running the the training?

Duds: I think that's the thing is people are not smart anymore.

Bright: Yeah, I think that's the thing. And and you go back to the

Duds: They don't use common sense.

Bright: you always think about like, well, when I was a kid and w I mean we're doing it right now, we remember these workouts, then we assume that these kids can do it, but we don't our memories aren't perfect. We don't remember the days where they were like, No, we're canceling practice.

Duds: Right.

Bright: We're we remember the days where it was hot, but guess what? Hot was probably eighty eight, ninety two with a little bit of humidity, not a hundred and sixteen. Right? Like we don't

Duds: Yeah, hundred and sixteen's pretty dang hot.

Bright: we don't know all the facts from from when we were seniors doing this kind of stuff in high school. We remember it being hot. We remember Yeah. Well

Duds: Yeah, I'm sure they were probably still monitoring it. You know, we probably still had a day off for if it was too hot, you know.

Bright: You hope s you hope so. You hope

Duds: I would hope so.

Bright: they were smart enough. My daughter's practice she has I mean she's seven, but both her practices were canceled this week because of the heat. And like I said, I think Missouri instituted Yeah, right.

Duds: Why? I mean you gotta get her out there. You gotta get her in shape.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah, I think they instituted new rules. When the when it hits a certain temperature, you're not allowed to have outdoor practice.

Duds: Well, it's just not worth it. I mean, come on.

Bright: Right. Not not when you see stuff like this going on. couple of other obviously obviously are hell out of it. It

Duds: Plus it is hotter than hell out right now in St. Louis.

Bright: is. It yes, it is. a hundred and two or something like that today. The humidity's not as bad though.

Duds: I don't know how Bob Catman is working around that asphalt.

Bright: I dunno I don't know how he does it, Bobcat man. degree as ball. Brutal.

Duds: Six hundred degree asphalt and hundred and twenty degree sun. It's like it it's like working in hell.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah. It's it's like working in hell. No, I know. Of what who chooses that profession? I guess he was kind of born into it, but neverthel nevertheless.

Duds: Yeah. Gotta hand it to him, man. That's hard work.

Bright: couple of other quick blues stories. the blues named Robert Thomas as their new captain, so their twenty-fifth captain in franchise history. Kinda cool. they also announced that starting this season, they're gonna Broadcast their games on Amazon Prime.

Duds: All of them?

Bright: Well, all of the games that aren't nationally televised. So 73 locally produced games will be available on Amazon Prime, but for an added cost. Not included in your Prime membership. So

Duds: Of course. Yeah. There's

Bright: now I don't think the added cost is crazy.

Duds: What is it?

Bright: It's twenty dollars a month or a hundred dollars for the season,

Duds: Not bad. Yeah.

Bright: which if the season deal is definitely better. So here is my real question for you though. And it pertains to me specifically. So I'll get over a dollar

Duds: A little over a dollar a game. I mean

Bright: a game. Right, that's not bad. Seventy-three, yeah, yeah, a little over a buck a game. Right now I have a VPN. So that's for other things. I use it for torrents and whatever, right? So I have a VPN. I've been able to watch sports and primarily I think that's really the reason I got it was so that I could watch Cardinals and Blues and things like that and kinda game the system. And that's worked pretty well for the last couple years with the exception of a couple of games that are like specific to like the NHL network or whatever. So most of the games I can pop on my VPN on the TV or I even have a special router. Where I can switch to a different Wi Fi and the router VPN is built in and I can watch the game. Again, ninety-five percent of the time I can watch it. But it's a little extra hassle. Is it worth spending the money? Because it'll be super easy. The quality will be great.

Duds: The convenience factor?

Bright: The convenience factor Like I could still do it without paying the hundred dollars, but I have to do a couple of extra steps. Sometimes the the connection drops and I might miss a goal because it's buffering because of the VPN or whatever. Of course it

Duds: I mean, that could happen still with Amazon Prime, I would imagine.

Bright: could. And I and I probably won't do it right off the bat because you might have to think they gotta work out the kinks. But

Duds: Right. Yeah, what did that what was what was that? Apple that had that problem with the Yeah. The Tyson fight.

Bright: Yeah. MLS, with the baseball games with the Tyson that was Netflix with the Tyson fight.

Duds: Netflix, yeah.

Bright: Uhhuh. Yeah. Mhm.

Duds: Yeah, so there's always those

Bright: So

Duds: issues that are potential there anyway. And then you're gonna

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: be more pissed if you pay the money. But I don't know, I mean, if it's that

Bright: I know. So

Duds: big of a hassle, you know, then I'd probably probably pay it, but

Bright: Yeah, yeah. That's the thing. It's not that big of a hassle, but a hundred dollars for the whole season, I don't think is terrible. It's

Duds: It's not that much.

Bright: not that much. No. No. And if you're if you're a real blues fan, now see Cardinals, I I would consider myself a Cardinals fan. I'm wearing a Cardinals shirt right now. But there's a hundred and sixty two games. Y missing a couple of games, not a big deal. You can still follow the games. The games are slower. Hockey I usually watch the games.

Duds: Do you watch try to watch as many as you can?

Bright: Yeah, I probably watch seventy five percent of the games. Yeah. Yeah. watching that many.

Duds: So it's probably worth it. If you're watching that many.

Bright: Right. Yeah. And I wonder if you can the the thing with the VPN is I almost have to start it right away. It's hard sometimes you hard to watch it on a delay.

Duds: Mm-hmm.

Bright: If I'm like, I'll watch it as soon as the kids go to bed and you click like watch from the beginning and then it just starts in the middle of the second period and you're like I hit start from the beginning.

Duds: We're down two to nothing already. Dang it.

Bright: God damn it Yeah, right. Or you're or you're up five nothing and you missed all the goals and you missed the fun of it, right?

Duds: So you'd rather start from the beginning even though you know it's not there than just pop into wherever they're at at that time.

Bright: Always. I don't wanna miss anything. And the nice thing about delaying it is then you can skip the commercials and stuff like that. And th so that your actual

Duds: Mm-hmm. Well that's nice, yeah.

Bright: dedicated time to watch the whole game might only be an hour and a half as opposed to three hours.

Duds: You know, after we gr I graduated, we moved out to Kentucky and I was working swing shifts with with my employer and

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: we were watching most baseball games. I would probably say we we watched ninety percent or more games and

Bright: Well, yeah, yeah.

Duds: well they were always on while I was at work. So we would

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: record we had cable and we would record on the cable box or whatever, and I'd come home. And it would be late. It'd be like eleven thirty at night. I'd get I think I got off work at like eleven. So I'd get home

Bright: I think I got off work at like eleven. Yeah.

Duds: and I'd be hungry. So I'd make some food and I'd sit down and I'd watch it and I could fast forward through all the this, you know, wasted time in baseball. You could watch the whole game in in less than forty five minutes. So I was

Bright: Yeah, commercials, sure. Right. Yeah.

Duds: eating, watching the game, and I could be in bed by twelve thirty, one o'clock.

Bright: Yep. That's pretty nice. If you don't know what happens it did but nobody was Yeah, yeah. It's

Duds: Right. And I didn't 'cause nobody was watching it or concerned with it and sometimes when

Bright: harder now 'cause you get notifications or you're scrolling Facebook and it pops up and so if you're it

Duds: When the wife would want to just go to bed, she'd be like, yeah, that was a bad game. It was like, Wait, why'd you s why'd you say that? This ruined it for me. Yeah, it's like I'm not even gonna fast

Bright: You ruined it. Yeah.

Duds: forward through, I don't even care now.

Bright: other sports stories, and we can run through these pretty quick, but did you see that Stan Cronky bought another sports team? Stan fucking

Duds: Why does he need another one?

Bright: Cronky. I know, man. It's crazy. So he bought the or is buying. The deal's not finalized per se, but he's buying the Los Angeles Angels. Yeah. So the deal.

Duds: Okay. So he didn't own another baseball team? I thought he owned a baseball team already.

Bright: He owns here's the teams that he owns. He owns the LA Rams and the NFL, the Denver Nuggets, NBA, Colorado

Duds: Avalanche.

Bright: Avalanche, NHL, Colorado Rapids, MLS,

Duds: That's all right, okay.

Bright: Arsenal, Premier League, and now the Angels. So MLB.

Duds: So this is his first baseball team.

Bright: Yeah, yeah. And technically it's not Cronke. It's

Duds: I think he only owns the NFL, right? Because he I think they have a rule you can't own any other teams. Right? So his like family members own or whatever.

Bright: Yes, yes. So this will be the Cronke Sports Entertainment Group, technically. And I

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: think it's his son that controls it, but it's it's Stan Cronke. However you wanna wheel and deal all the specifics of it, it's Stan Cronky.

Duds: Yeah, I think I read that. It's like the NFL is the one that has that rule where if you own an NFL team you can't own any other teams. So

Bright: Right, right. Yeah, I don't necessarily get all of that, but

Duds: But I'm sure yeah, th they worked his way around that rule, you know.

Bright: He a hundred percent. He's I mean, he's built this sports empire. And the thing about it is anybody that any fan from any of these cities that has Kronke as an owner, just know he does not care about you. He does not care about the team. He only cares about money. That's it. So if he thinks that the Los Angeles Angels can't compete. with the Los Angeles Dodgers in the LA market, he'll just fucking move They'll be the they'll be the the Portland Angels before you know it. Yeah. Right. Just because. Yeah. Yep. Exactly. A hundred percent. A hundred so I'd be a little home. No.

Duds: Take him to Montana or something. Yep. Just because they'll give him a tax cut and he'll build a stadium there and try to Yeah. No there's no hometown loyalty or anything that he has.

Bright: Yeah. I'd be a little weary. So the the deal is valued at four billion dollars.

Duds: Wild.

Bright: So two Grand Theft Auto Sixes.

Duds: Wild.

Bright: I know. And the current owner bought the team in 2003. 2003. So we're talking what, 23 years? You might have to do the math for me here, Duds. Take a guess at how much he bought the team for first.

Duds: I'm I think it was probably a hundred and fifty million. Yeah. Yeah,

Bright: Pretty pretty good. A hundred and eighty three point five million.

Duds: 'cause I was just gonna say I remember it wasn't that long ago, probably fifteen or twenty years ago, that the Yankees were the top valued team at like a billion dollars.

Bright: huh.

Duds: And the Angels now are four billion. That

Bright: Four billion.

Duds: is insane.

Bright: It's insane. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Duds: It means the Yankees have to be valued at like twenty five billion or something.

Bright: Yeah. Well even if we round up, if we do the quick math, let's round up and say two hundred million. Four billion, that would be is that twenty times am I doing my math right? Twenty

Duds: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Bright: times his his money. It's insane.

Duds: Insane.

Bright: That's mm. Mm-mm.

Duds: Good for him.

Bright: Yeah, good for him. All right, moving right along again, real quick, because we're gonna talk about this on City S C posse. Kev and I are recording tomorrow, but City signed some big players. So

Duds: yeah.

Bright: it was the the transfer deadline day was Wednesday, and we signed Rafael Navarro, Brazilian striker, so the goal scorer we've been looking for, for a record twelve million dollar deal. So it's a record because it's the most that our team has ever spent. Now granted we're still a young team, but the most we've ever spent on a deal, actually more than doubles the previous record, which was also this year. Hulsa we bought for six million dollars. That was this year. So we just we just doubled that. And

Duds: Wow. Spending some money.

Bright: This is the record deal between MLS clubs. So there may have been bigger deals between MLS and say England or Germany, but between Yeah,

Duds: Internally. Yeah.

Bright: so we we actually got him from Stan Cronkey's Colorado Rapids. So yeah.

Duds: okay. Cut us a deal, yeah.

Bright: Yep. Exactly. Stole him. So that's exciting. And then we also signed Damian Downs, a twenty two year old US men's national team player from Southampton. So he did come over from from

Duds: Anglet.

Bright: England too. So yeah. So we're gonna talk a little bit about that on the on the Posse Pod and we're gonna talk

Duds: Well, it's good to see them replacing some of the players they got rid of.

Bright: Exactly. And spending some money. So we're gonna get all into all of that. So that episode will probably drop Friday night in advance of our game Saturday night against the the Vancouver White Caps who are first in the division. So and you're

Duds: Keep their lossless streak going.

Bright: the thirteen games now. Now we'll We kind of blew it Saturday night. I brought the whole family to the game. no, excuse me, it was Sunday night. And it was a six o'clock start. So I was like, we can we can go. Tickets were a little bit cheaper. my brother had our season tickets, so I was like, let's go get four tickets, brought the family. We had a great time, but we were up three to one and we blew it

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: and Dallas came back and we we ended up tying three to three. And Dallas scored the tying goal at literally the last play of the game.

Duds: man. You can't throw away points

Bright: I know. It was

Duds: like that.

Bright: it was devastating. Devastating. And yeah. So we'll we'll get into that. We'll preview the the Vancouver matchup. We'll talk about the the new players. So definitely check that out. All right.

Duds: Will do. Got it in the my lineup to listen to that.

Bright: There you go. Love it. Love it, love it, love it. All right. Bitcoin. I got a couple questions. I did.

Duds: did you? From who? Or did you just make them up?

Bright: No. Two legitimate questions.

Duds: interesting. Okay.

Bright: Two l legitimate questions came in. And so I have the questions. I did a little bit of research just so I could either ask you some follow-up questions or steer the conversation if need be. But here's question one for the Bitcoin Ask Me Anything. Although it really should be the Ask Duds Anything, the ADA, if you will. All right. Question number one. This came from

Duds: Makes me sound disabled.

Bright: I know. That's right. This came this was a drop on the website from Dan. From Dan. All right. Is Bitcoin susceptible to manipulation just like the fiat currency?

Duds: Ooh. Susceptible to manipulation just like the fiat currency? Well the answer the answer I

Bright: That was the question, verbatim.

Duds: would have to say to that would be no. Definitely not just like the fiat currency. Now it it

Bright: But is it susceptible to manipulation?

Duds: There is you know how much you want to get into it, but there is the proof of work in Bitcoin that protects the network. And that goes into the amount of hashing power that is throughout the entire network, right? So we could pull up the numbers and show what that is, but the the way you could manipulate it is a fifty-one percent attack is what they would call it. Where if you had to have more than 50% of the network, then you could, in theory, update the blockchain because you would have enough power to mine the new blocks and do whatever you wanted with those, right? But the problem is at

Bright: Is it possible to get fifty one percent control?

Duds: this stage in Bitcoin's life, it would be theoretically impossible because the amount

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: of processing power that you would have to go and get to get 51% of the network. would be so much and so expensive that it would be counterintuitive. You what's the at at that point, what is the point? Are you trying to just break the network? Because if you go in and you do this fifty one percent attack, you would essentially make all Bitcoin worthless. So you'd be you'd be putting all this money into

Bright: Right. You wouldn't make money on it.

Duds: this processing power, so billions upon billions of dollars, to to do nothing with it, to basically throw it away. So

Bright: Yeah. Right.

Duds: it's theoretically possible, but no, it's It's not going to happen in in that sense. Now, if the networking processing power ever tanked and went super low, then there'd be more chances of that happening. But if you

Bright: Mm.

Duds: look at the chart of the hashing power, all it's doing is increase and it kind of goes up over time with how expensive the coins get.

Bright: So expensive Bitcoins get would that also is that essentially like how many people are trying to mine Bitcoin? So if people stop trying to mine it, then somebody Yeah, right. Okay. Yeah. Right. Gotcha.

Duds: That's what the hashing power is, yes, is the miners that are online, protecting the network. So in f fiat, obviously you can manipulate fiat just by printing more fiat, right? Printing turning money printers on, which they don't even really print the money, they just update their computers, update their ledgers at whenever they want.

Bright: Correct. Greev Greaves talked about that a lot in that episode, right? Yeah.

Duds: Yeah. So the Federal Reserve, our central bank, controls the master ledger or the you know, of of Fiat, and all they have to do is they can change the rules by a vote on those twelve board members, you know, in the Federal Reserve, along with Congress and and that, right? They can manipulate that system however they feel like it, right? Raise interest rates, lower interest rates, it it all affects the fiat currency.

Bright: Right.

Duds: Bitcoin in the programming. Right, in order to sustain the network, all the programs have to be on the same page, right, using the same ledger. So if one node decides to put out a new ledger, all the other nodes are gonna look at that and throw it away and say

Bright: Mm-hmm.

Duds: that's not part of the network, right? And

Bright: Right.

Duds: what built within this program is a max supply of twenty-one million.

Bright: Twenty one million, right. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Duds: Yeah, I think give or take, you know, it's it's not exactly, but that's there's a limited supply and you can't just update it to say, well, we're gonna have twenty two million because all the other network nodes don't agree, right? They are running the same program,

Bright: Right. Right. Well

Duds: running the same proving the same ledger.

Bright: So the the supply can't be influenced per se or manipulated, but the market price what we know to d yeah. Yeah.

Duds: Now the price the price is completely different. The price has nothing to do with the program, has nothing to do with the mining, the nodes, nothing like that. The price is the price

Bright: Right. Right. Right. Yeah, that could be manipulated.

Duds: is all yes, that's basically supply and demand on on a market in a in a marketplace, right? So if

Bright: Yeah, exac that's exactly what it is. Yeah. Yeah.

Duds: you you know, depending on where you buy your Bitcoin, if you hold the Bitcoin, you actually have those bitcoins. Now if you buy it on an exchange or through another custodian an ET

Bright: Mm-hmm.

Duds: ETF, yeah, different. But like if you're gonna buy spot bitcoin on Coinbase or River or one of those, those are custodians that you can buy spot bitcoin on, right? And then you

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: could transfer it from their wallet to your own wallet. Right. And then you would have those. Now you would

Bright: Yeah. Right. You have the Bitcoin.

Duds: have it. If you don't transfer it, transfer it and they have it, they're considered the custodian of those. So they hold the keys until you would transfer it to you. So as long as the

Bright: Right.

Duds: custodian, you'd have to have trust in that third party, that custodian, that they would have it. So if you're gonna have a custodian, you want to make sure that they have more more Bitcoin than they do liabilities on the Bitcoin, right? They need to be able to prove that they have more than

Bright: And that's what's

Duds: they say that people have bought from them, right? Right.

Bright: And you've talked about that with River, who is your custodian, and how and how they publish.

Duds: Yeah, you can go view on the blockchain all the Bitcoin that they own or that they hold. And then you can view all the liabilities of Bitcoin, like the basically not coupons, but like what what would you call it? Like an IOU, yeah, like they they it's basically what it is, a liability and IOU to a customer that says, Yes, they this customer's paid us money for that bitcoin. So that's theirs.

Bright: IOUs. Yeah. To you, for example. Have you taken any ownership of actual Bitcoin or is all of your Bitcoin Right, correct.

Duds: I've never transferred any out because I was researching we can get into that after this. so there's the custodian and then another layer is would be like wrapped, you know, so like an ETF. So basically there's

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: those e and there's certain ETFs that have the same rules that they are supposed to be proving that they hold as much Bitcoin as they have, you know, out.

Bright: out in the market.

Duds: Yeah, there's a there's a word I can't think of that on

Bright: So right.

Duds: the tip of my tongue, but that they have like liabilities for. So Right.

Bright: Yeah, distributed or whatever. So 'cause that's the thing, like I use Robinhood and y I can I go and I buy b Bitcoin and I hold BTC. I hold

Duds: Mm-hmm.

Bright: Bitcoin, but to your point I don't have the keys. And it I mean it's quite possible in theory that Robinhood could completely default on that, that they don't have the Bitcoin.

Duds: So that's what was the FTX, remember that a few years ago? Sam Sam Bankman Freed, that guy. He was running

Bright: Yeah. huh. Same same rank with free. Yep. Yep.

Duds: essentially an exchange that people would pay and he would say, Yes, you own, you know, this. So you have an IOU out for that guy. Well, he didn't have all of it. He was spending money, you know, he was yeah, he was snorting coke and doing all that stuff, right? And so when it came time yeah, came time to

Bright: Yep. Well he didn't have all No. It's Ponzi scheme. Yeah. Right, Ponzi scheme. Yeah. huh. Yeah. Tom Brady, right? Yeah.

Duds: like, hey, pay me. Well, sorry, I don't have the I don't have it. Like so that's a way you get s you could get screwed on that. So whoever's your custodian

Bright: Right. Bernie Madoff.

Duds: or holding that stuff, it you you are you've instilled trust in them, right? If you don't trust them, you probably shouldn't be dealing with them. so

Bright: Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Duds: that that goes back to the supply and demand. So any of the market, you know, influences can influence the price of Bitcoin. But essentially there is still a limited supply, and if all the ETFs and

Bright: Mm-hmm.

Duds: all of the exchanges that are buying it are buying it and are holding more than they're have liabilities out for it, the market effects are still going to take place. And that's what's causing the prices to go up.

Bright: Sure. Yeah. Well, I think some of the big things that that people are watching out for, and maybe you can answer this, and then w I want to move on to question number two while we still have time, but what about whales? People that have a bunch of Bitcoin,

Duds: Mm-hmm.

Bright: whether they sell a bunch or they buy up a bunch, government yeah purchasing a lot,

Duds: Mm-hmm. Nation states, yeah.

Bright: nation states, government regulation, that's kind of a whole different ball game. That we haven't talked about social media hype. We've certainly seen this with what's his name? The trillionaire, I can't think of his name. Elon Musk, right? So he'll at the one trillionaire? I

Duds: Elon? The one trillionaire? Couldn't remember the guy.

Bright: can't think of his name. But right. So yeah, social me he media hype. I mean, not with the case with Bitcoin, but different meme coins and things like that. di other other cryptocurrencies, right, that are are very volatile and subject to more manipulation than Bitcoin is. But I think those are like whales, government, nation states or regulations that were come down the pipeline, all of those things could affect the price, not the supply.

Duds: Sure. Anytime you have anytime you have somebody who has a good great quantity that's going in and selling, right, it's going to potentially drop the price. Right. If they have more if you have more sellers than you do buyers, price is going to go down. Right. But a lot of that's being absorbed and it has been for years, right? A lot of the miners

Bright: Yep.

Duds: hold a lot of coins because they're constantly mining and they'll sell coins

Bright: Sure.

Duds: off to fund their operations. so

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: sometimes when the price goes down they have to sell even more to keep, you know, keep keep keep operations going or they shut down. But they have skin in

Bright: Yep. Sure.

Duds: the game, so they protect the network because they have so much, right? They

Bright: Mm.

Duds: wanna make sure that the network's secure, so they wanna keep this thing going too. So there's a lot of different factors involved in that, but

Bright: Yeah. That makes sense. All right. Let's move on to

Duds: So you did ask about moving why like a hardware wallet. I was actually researching cold c cold card. Well sure, yeah.

Bright: Well, you risk losing the password keys and that money's just gone.

Duds: I mean it it's all on you at that point. You gotta know what you're doing. You gotta, you know, research it. And I was never pulled the trigger on that.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah. It's happened to people. Never pulled the trigger. Yeah.

Duds: I was fairly confident, you know, I could do it. And I but

Bright: Sure.

Duds: I was kinda like, well, why do I wanna do that right now? I didn't have a good reason. I still might. Like at least some. You know, it doesn't it doesn't hurt. 'Cause there's always

Bright: Mm. Yeah. It'd be it'd be like having gold bars in your basement, right? Instead of at a bank or something like that.

Duds: Here's the thing. Like back in the thirties, right, I think it was FDR, had an executive

Bright: Yeah, uhhuh, it was.

Duds: order to seize all the gold in the United States. It was

Bright: Mm-hmm.

Duds: he made it illegal for normal everyday people like me and you to hold gold just by the stroke of a pen. So you had to turn

Bright: Mm-hmm. scroker. Yeah.

Duds: it in. Well, there's nothing really stopping the government from doing that with Bitcoin.

Bright: Sure.

Duds: So the fact that you have it on an exchange or have an ETF or something like that, they could just say that needs to be liquidated. You need to give this person dollars for whatever Bitcoin they have, and then you don't have it anymore, right? They they would pay you, they're

Bright: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. Right.

Duds: not gonna just take it, steal it from you, potentially. But pennies on the dollar, if you're going through hyperinflation,

Bright: But they could they could pay you pennies on the dollar, they don't have to give you full value.

Duds: if you're in a time where the currency is collapsing and they need to back the currency up with something that's not, like some harder asset like gold or Bitcoin.

Bright: Mm-hmm.

Duds: they could, in theory, seize it, pay you pennies on the dollar, and then overnight your, you know, your wealth has disappeared because they could re

Bright: Sure.

Duds: peg the a new dollar to that that harder asset. And you don't own it anymore. So if you do take it off

Bright: Yeah. Yeah.

Duds: the exchanges, if you do hold it in your wallet, you have control of it and nobody else can touch it. So that's the the benefit of that.

Bright: I've told you about Mr. Robot before. s Sam Moloch, is that his name? Or Robbie Robbie Mollock, I think is his name. it's exactly what you're explaining is exactly what happens in the T V show and

Duds: yeah.

Bright: you need to you you would love you would love this show. It just trust me. Yeah.

Duds: Let me write it down. What was it?

Bright: Add it add it to your list. Mr. Robot. It's

Duds: And what's it on?

Bright: force Four seasons. I don't remember. You have to look it up. It's streaming. It's it's streaming somewhere. Just type it in, man. Type it into Google. Mr. Robot. It's a great show. Highly highly

Duds: All right, I'll check it out.

Bright: recommend. Yes. Rami Moloch and Christian Slater.

Duds: yeah, he's good.

Bright: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you'll you'll recognize a couple of other people too. And it it could be a little trippy at times, but the main story is kind of like anarchists and it's all about this. It's all about resetting the essentially the world fiat system. And then they this this is what they do.

Duds: really? Hmm.

Bright: And it and it ends up being, I'm not I'm not gonna give the whole thing away, but it ends up being this back and forth between the anarchists, the biggest banks in the US and the US government. And then the Chinese government. That's kinda so it's like this back and forth and and how they all work together or work against each other. But the main goal is essentially how can we how can we reset the system?

Duds: I mean, and that could be foreshadowing what's really coming.

Bright: It it definitely could. I think that's probably the point, right? okay. Second question. This one came in through X, private message on X. and let me make sure I got it. Okay, yep, here it is. This came in from Robert. Until Bitcoin is routinely used for wages, groceries, mortgages, taxes, and business expenses, most people still on. still depend on converting it into dollars to realize its practical value. So that's not technically a question. So I think the question is, is Bitcoin actually money if everybody still measures it in dollars?

Duds: Yeah, I mean that's a definitely a point to make that the money

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: is what is part of what money is is what is used in transactions, right? What

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: is the most used form of currency, right? So

Bright: Mm-hmm.

Duds: obviously we've talked about this in our in our text chain that it the adoption of Bitcoin is still very, very low in comparison, right? Yeah

Bright: Sure. You've compared it you compared it in the chat,

Duds: Four percent.

Bright: I think, to like the dot com boom, like and the internet. People around four to five percent people will be adopted. Right. Right. So it's still baby to the baby. Yeah. Yeah.

Duds: Right. Bitcoin right now is around four to five percent globally adopted. Right. So it's still babe it's a baby, right? You're talking about internet in the nineteen ninety-six, nineteen ninety-seven time frame. So if you think about

Bright: Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Duds: what the internet was and the the reach of the internet at that time, it was nothing hardly. Right? People were just getting online, just getting AOL email like CDs in the mail, right? So

Bright: Mm-hmm.

Duds: if you get it's it's a time thing, it's going to take time. And as that time progresses, you're going to start to see the the uses of it. And along with that point of you know using Bitcoin every day, you know, on people will say that the transactions there it can't have enough transactions on the Bitcoin network because there's a limit to it, right? There's actually a a transaction limit on the Bitcoin network. So you couldn't

Bright: Okay. Right.

Duds: use Bitcoin to go buy a cup of coffee, right? The the Bitcoin network, the base layer, is essentially, have you ever heard of like Fedwire? It's the what the Federal Reserve

Bright: I don't know.

Duds: uses for their ledgers, right? Or what our current economy uses.

Bright: Yeah. Right.

Duds: Well, we use credit cards and we use banks, right? They're not the base layer. The Fedwire

Bright: Yeah. Right. They're not the base layer. Right.

Duds: is considered the base layer of our of

Bright: Right.

Duds: our current network. Right. So we use credit cards. When I when you swipe your credit card, that doesn't go onto Fedwire. Right. Those banks batch all these transactions up. And then at the end of the

Bright: Mm-hmm. Right.

Duds: day or the week or whenever they do it, they do a a larger they do a larger

Bright: Whenever they reconcile. Yeah.

Duds: transaction on the base layer Fedwire. Right. That's

Bright: Mm-hmm.

Duds: essentially what Bitcoin will be in the future. So there will be

Bright: Okay.

Duds: built on additional layer twos, like If you've heard of the Bitcoin Lightning Network, those can handle,

Bright: Yes.

Duds: you know, multi millions of transactions per second, right? And

Bright: Right.

Duds: for much smaller or no fees, where the Bitcoin base layer can handle lesser every 10 minutes, right? Is when what block is mined for some fees, right? That there's going along with that. So the whole system is being built out right now. And you're, like I said,

Bright: Right.

Duds: you're just seeing the early stages of it. So it's not a surprise that it's not used in everyday life right now because it's still the the structure of it is being built.

Bright: Yeah, I I agree and and I think that's that's a c I got a couple of questions here that I think I can wrap up into one, right? So like does Bitcoin only succeed in the long run if it becomes the everyday currency, kinda like you're describing, but does it replace the dollar? Can it work alongside the dollar? If if I can't use Bitcoin to buy my groceries, does it even matter? But here's where it all connects. Here's the bigger question I think. Why would I spend Bitcoin if the value of Bitcoin could go up? I spend the dollar right now because it's never gonna be more valuable than it is right now. So I'd have no problem spending it. And that is the whole idea, I think, of the f the fiat system is they they and the economy, and I joked about it with the South Park episode, is like they need you to spend the money. If don't spend the money, the whole thing collapses.

Duds: Your dollars are worth more today than they are tomorrow. Right.

Bright: Correct. But Bitcoin is worth more tomorrow, in theory, than it is today. So what I mean, you've heard that story about that guy that bought a couple of pizzas and gave gave the guy a bit

Duds: That was the the first official transaction, right? Yeah.

Bright: gave the guy bitcoin for a couple of pizzas and a couple of thousand ten thousand bitcoin right

Duds: I think it was like a couple thousand, ten thousand Bitcoin or something for for two pizzas.

Bright: and so so n now that's worth whatever, a billion dollars, those two pizzas.

Duds: Right. So that was the I I believe the first official transaction of Bitcoin, which set the

Bright: That's crazy.

Duds: first price of what a Bitcoin was. It was like 18 cents or something like that per Bitcoin. But

Bright: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Duds: yeah, so you kind of have a couple different factors going on. You got the fiat currency, which is ever declining in value, right? Purchasing

Bright: Mm.

Duds: power is constantly being eroded. And and

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: through that, because of that, in if you value Bitcoin in Dollars, the Bitcoin over the long term is going to go up, right? The opposite direction, kind of not quite an inverse,

Bright: The opposite direction. Makes sense. Yeah.

Duds: and it's much more volatile because of the adoption, also. Right. So once you

Bright: Because of the adoption rate. Yeah. Yeah.

Duds: there's have you ever heard of this S-curve adoption in technology? I think we talked about that. So

Bright: Yeah. huh. We have.

Duds: the inflection point, which is kind of theorized for a lot of technology, is around the 10% range, right?

Bright: Mm-hmm.

Duds: They say that for the first the ten percent adoption timeline, that first ten percent takes say it takes twenty years. Well,

Bright: Right.

Duds: going from zero to ten takes twenty years, but going from ten to ninety is basically the same amount of time. So that's

Bright: Right.

Duds: when you s the curve starts to go up, right? And then you start to

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: plateau and then it kind of goes out. So that's that S curve, right? So

Bright: Right.

Duds: if you can imagine what that will be like in another five or ten years. And the only thing that's going to accelerate that is our out of control government debasement of the fiat. Right. The more they

Bright: Mm-hmm.

Duds: do that, the more you will see the dollar price of Bitcoin go up. And as that goes up, you'll have more and more people buying into it and more adoption and more technology being built on top of it. Right. That's how I think you get that adoption going up. And as that

Bright: There you Sure. Yep.

Duds: As that adoption goes up, the volatility smooths out as well. So right now you see these huge, huge swings, higher

Bright: Right. Of course. Swings. Right.

Duds: highs and higher lows, and higher highs and higher lows, and massive

Bright: Right.

Duds: 80% drop, you know, and then a massive 200% up, right? Well,

Bright: Yeah. Right.

Duds: over a long period of time, that that volatility will start to go down, right? And as that volatility

Bright: Sure. Yeah.

Duds: goes down, then you start being able to see that used as a currency and being able to

Bright: Mm-hmm.

Duds: price things in Bitcoin versus pricing them in dollars, right? Right. Right. Yep. And now your

Bright: Yeah, be because it's become more stable and more trusted and more adopted. Yes.

Duds: measuring stick. That's basically what Bitcoin is, right? Money we use Bitcoin is a way to or not Bitcoin, money in general is really just a way of valuing different items. Right.

Bright: Sure.

Duds: This item's ten dollars, this item's a hundred dollars, this item's ten thousand dollars, right? Or time. Yeah, your value, your time, right? Well, if if

Bright: Right. This item's ten dollars, this item's ten dollars. Or time. Yeah. Or time, yeah, value your time.

Duds: that measuring stick is always changing, how are you supposed to get a good understanding of how things are valued in comparison to one another? Right? Bitcoin is the thing that the measuring stick's not changing as far as you're not debasing it, right? You're not growing you right now, we are growing the Bitcoin stock. Right, that's what the miners are doing. But it's

Bright: Mm-hmm. Sure, right.

Duds: it's only at a point eight percent increase per year of of the whole stockpile. So the amount

Bright: Right, right.

Duds: of new coins that are mined every year is about 0.8%

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: of the current supply. Right. Well, that's not how it is in fiat, right? Your your

Bright: Right. Minor. Yeah.

Duds: interest or your your new money is getting printed probably at an eight percent compared to the total stockpile. So that inflation.

Bright: Sure. Right.

Duds: is all about money supply. Right? All the other

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: shit that they say that doesn't it's it's all it's all crap. Like all the the CPI

Bright: Right.

Duds: index, it's a number that they give you to try to they pull out of a hat, you know, they put all these baskets of goods together and then they try to they try to get a number

Bright: Yeah. Yeah, we've talked about this before, right?

Duds: that they can sell to people and say, look at this is a stable, you know, three percent started at two percent. And why was it why is

Bright: Th three per three percent inflation. Not that bad.

Duds: two percent the number? Why did they come up with two percent? You don't know why? Because

Bright: 'Cause it it's negligible.

Duds: it was an unnoticeable amount of change, right? But over

Bright: Right. Yeah. Right.

Duds: over thirty years, two percent,

Bright: Sure.

Duds: you've lost half your value, you know.

Bright: Yeah, I mean we've seen that, and we've talked about that a lot in over the course of the podcast about the the value of money when we were younger or when our our parents worked, what it is now, from and I think this relates directly to this conversation from COVID to now think about your salary. If you're only getting a salary bump of two percent, three percent over the last six years, you've fallen so far behind.

Duds: Right. Well and y everybody goes back to this CPI number for inflation and

Bright: Right. Right. Well which and again we've talked about this too, where actual inflation is much higher

Duds: It's pure propaganda. Right. So they they say two percent is their target, but they've never been able to keep it at two percent, right?

Bright: Right. No.

Duds: So it's at three percent, but that's just the number they're giving you. The real inflation

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: number is probably closer to seven, eight, ten percent, right? So that's not

Bright: Yeah. So

Duds: as easy to hide. You know, ten percent a year is

Bright: Yeah. I think I Yeah.

Duds: very noticeable for people.

Bright: Right. I think since COVID and we've we've done this before, I think the the actual even the CPI number, like you say, is like thirty percent practically. So we know for a fact twenty ninety

Duds: yeah, there were some years that were over twenty percent, yeah.

Bright: Right, because the inflation was so high during COVID because they were just printing money left and right that the twenty nineteen dollar is now a dollar thirty.

Duds: Mm-hmm.

Bright: So or $1.36 or whatever it is. So well, overall I think a great a great first ADA asked Duds anything about Bitcoin

Duds: Good question and a half.

Bright: segment. You know, good question to have you had the second question was a statement, but I appreciate it nonetheless. It it helped the conversation flow, so

Duds: Hopefully it kind of, you know, made some sense. I don't know.

Bright: I th y honestly I think he did a great job. I followed along. luckily I'm a pretty smart guy. I don't know about all of our listeners, but hopefully they could follow along too.

Duds: Did your wife say that?

Bright: Sh she if I tried to explain anything Bitcoin related to her, sorry. Like right, like and she doesn't even care, right? It it's definitely a guy's thing. I don't know why that is. I don't know how many women are out there into Bitcoin and Bitcoin speculation.

Duds: tell you what man, I mean I remember hearing about it years ago, ten plus years ago, probably twelve, thirteen years ago.

Bright: Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well, because we like to stay up on these things, even if we're not investing, we we're paying attention. Of course. Of course you do. Yeah.

Duds: But I kinda kick myself, you know, like why didn't I I didn't research it at all? Like I heard about it. Why didn't I just look into it?

Bright: Yeah, it's all it's all the things. You were preoccupied with other things. You either you had a new family or you were dating or you had a new job or you didn't have enough money or you just bought your first house or so you the the circumstances were different. Now you have a little bit more free time, you have

Duds: Right. Well and you kinda just you you brush it off.

Bright: AI, you have disposable income, all of these things. So it's easier now. It it wasn't easy back up. We you could say all those things like, Well, why didn't I start investing when I got my first job at twenty-three? 'Cause I didn't have any money. Like I mean you could always look back and be like, Why didn't I start investing? 'Cause I I couldn't afford to.

Duds: Well, AI it's funny that you mentioned AI because when when I was really getting into it and trying to research it, I used AI a ton. Like I think I was on it for like two weeks straight, just asking it questions about Bitcoin and the network and what about this and how about this and how does this work? And and it explained it all. And I was like, and then, you

Bright: Sure. I think I was on it for like two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. What about this? How about the score? Right. Yeah.

Duds: know, reading books about it.

Bright: Right. Well, and that's the thing. AI will recommend books.

Duds: Right.

Bright: So then you know, i it helps it helps lay out the the pathway. I mean if you go right into Chat GPT and say, Hey, I'm a novice, I know nothing, but I want to become a moderate expert or whatever the case may be it'll lay it out for you and it'll say, I will teach you the first part, but then you need to go read this book and then this book and then this book. And after you read those three books, you'll be an intermediate. And then we can readdress or we whatever the case may be, right? So it'll it'll help you along that your path. You can flat out tell it. This is what I know. This is my goal. How do I do it?

Duds: If you have any question or don't know or or think you that Bitcoin is like worthless, fairy dust, whatever, if you go out and read or listen to the Bitcoin standard by Sae Fedina Moose, it will completely clear up what it is and and how it works. And that's probably a game changer for anybody. People that read that book or listen to it. I th I don't I don't believe probably anybody would listen or read that book and walk away and be like, that's just fake. Like that's nothing. Because it it clearly explains what it actually is. And once you know, you can't unknow that.

Bright: Well, if you send me the link to the book, the title, the name, the author, the link, whatever, I'll put it in the show notes so people can check it out. I do want to mention as we wrap up that I started putting chapters in. I don't know

Duds: Chapters.

Bright: if you noticed that. Well, yeah, podcasts have chapters generally,

Duds: Okay.

Bright: but I've never I've never spent the time to do it. I've always just uploaded the entire show as is. Well last week if if you notice I put in like five different chapters. So so I think Yeah, so I think I'll do that tomorrow too.

Duds: Did not notice. I just listened to the whole thing straight through.

Bright: Yeah, and that's how I do it too. But now I'll put in the chapters. So if you wanna like I I really wanna hear about the Bitcoin stuff, I could care less about GTA six, you can skip right to right to Bitcoin and and vice versa. So so I I'll put in a couple of chapters to make it little

Duds: Save the best for the end.

Bright: bit easier for everybody. Yeah, that's right. I like it. I like saving the best for the end. we we'll get this out. We're coming up on a holiday weekend, obviously, so I don't know if you got any big plans, but

Duds: well, we're going to the four seasons tomorrow. Got our sixteen year sixteen year wedding anniversary.

Bright: Yeah. What, the the spa or w or what I never Nice. Are you so are you s you're staying there?

Duds: Staying there for a night 'cause we got you know, pool parties and stuff going on Saturday and so yeah.

Bright: One night. Okay. So you're staying there tomorrow night. Are you gonna eat at the Gordon Ramsay restaurant? We are. Okay. Very nice. And are you gonna hit up the side four or five four

Duds: We are. Yeah. Yeah, they have like a four or five course meal, yeah.

Bright: meals? Yeah. Yeah. We've eaten up there before, but before it was Gordon Ramsay. So

Duds: Mm.

Bright: it was it was nice. I ha I had like a little work thing up there. It's definitely very nice. Now it's Gordon Ramsay. So I like, I gotta go gotta go back and check that out. What about the spa? I've heard

Duds: I'm expecting

Bright: the sp

Duds: I'm expecting the Gordon Ramsay restaurant to be very good 'cause I've watched his shows and if it's not perfect, I'm gonna race him

Bright: It should be. Sure. Yeah.

Duds: hell.

Bright: Alright, well you know what? We're gonna talk about it next week. You're gonna report back. you can give me the lowdown, I'll put it in the blog, whatever.

Duds: Tag Gordon.

Bright: type up a review or something. So take notes either mentally or physically or whatever. Maybe we'll even have to get get your wife on the pod and she can tell us her experience. I don't know

Duds: Yeah, maybe.

Bright: if she's game for that or not. But all right, well that'll be fun. That'll be cool. Who's watching the kids?

Duds: Parents, my parents. Yeah. Come here, watch kids

Bright: Parent your parents. Yeah, yeah.

Duds: and the dog.

Bright: Alright, and then I s I said it but we kept talking the spa. I've the spa is really nice. I'm not a spa guy, but yeah. Okay. Alright. Yeah. It is really expensive. Yeah, yeah.

Duds: I believe she's done the spa there before and she had mentioned wanting to do it, but it's so expensive. And I was like, when would we do this? And so we're not gonna do that. We're just gonna do the Gordon

Bright: Yeah.

Duds: Ramsay dinner, stay the night, and then she's like, Well, we could just get up and work out in the morning. It's like, hey, that works for me. That's a fun Saturday morning.

Bright: Lame. Well There's gotta be other bars there. I I mean obviously the casino and everything's right there, but there's probably another fancy bar or something, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Duds: Yeah, we'll probably hang out. I don't know. Probably got a rooftop bar or something.

Bright: Right, right, right. Yeah, I was gonna say even the Gordon Ramsay bar or whatever's right there probably has to be overlooking the arch and all that. That'll be a cool vibe. Nice.

Duds: Yeah. I've never stayed at the four seasons. It looks pretty nice.

Bright: Nope, nope, never never stayed. yeah, I'm sure it'll be nice. It's the only one we have here in St. Louis, so at the lake today, right? I don't know, maybe. I can see that at the Ozarks. Okay,

Duds: I think they got one down at the lake too, right? I believe they do. Yeah.

Bright: cool. Yeah, we got a pool party on Saturday. I gotta connect with Nilla. We talked about going to the river on Sunday. I don't know if that's a thing,

Duds: Girl for it.

Bright: or not. But mineral fork, yeah.

Duds: Classic.

Bright: Yeah. I know. If you guys aren't doing anything, Sunday, yeah.

Duds: Sunday? Yeah, maybe maybe.

Bright: Yeah. The the kids loved it last time. Absolutely loved it. So

Duds: Yeah. What's the weather supposed to be like? It's supposed to cool off at all?

Bright: it's it's supposed to cool off a little bit. It's supposed to be like mid nineties, I think, the last time I checked. So

Duds: That's that's like twenty degrees cooler.

Bright: Yeah, I know, right. Well and the nice thing is a spring fed river, so

Duds: Yeah.

Bright: it's it's cool, it's refreshing. And my kids, even Frankie who's who's four, but like Cat did great. They caught minnows, they played with the rocks, they they got in the water, it was very safe. and that was when they had all that flooding.

Duds: Mm-hmm.

Bright: that was much further south down in like Lesterville. But like my mom was like, Don't you go to the river and I was like, Okay, mom, why to f took the kids to the river. But And it's so easy to get to now. It's

Duds: Really?

Bright: only a forty-five minute drive because highway twenty one goes further.

Duds: Okay.

Bright: the the pathway to get from the parking lot down to the river is easier. Like everything is easier. So that's why I was like I told Nella I was like, we should do it. Because it because it used to be a trek. It used to take an hour and a half to get down there and we were bringing

Duds: Right. I remember taking a long time.

Bright: yeah. We were bringing so much crap and you know, we always stopped at Walmart on the way d it took too long. You know, we we left at I d I don't know, like nine thirty last time. We were there by ten fifteen and we hung out from ten fifteen to four fifteen and it was perfect. We were home by five o'clock.

Duds: All right, yeah, run a bugger. See.

Bright: It was like it was like the perfect day. So if if you're if you're available Sunday, I think Nilla because I know Bob Camp Man was all like, Well, we can't go. But if you guys might be in, I know Catalina would love love hanging out, with do it after

Duds: Gotta check the schedule. Probably to do it after church, you know. So

Bright: church. Well well yeah, yeah. After after church. After church. No worries. We'll get down there, we'll save the spot. And then everybody's off on Monday. So Yeah, yeah, yeah. So hopefully

Duds: All right. I know that's the best part. Love the three day weekend.

Bright: Exactly. Love it. Love it. Love the three day weekend. All right. Well have a good Labor Day weekend, everybody. We'll catch you next week.

Duds: All right, later.