You Boys Like Assassinations?

Bright: two man, two man show tonight. I had a new bag of tricks here that I was thinking about breaking out. Maybe we still will. Maybe we won't. don't know. ⁓ Doug's canceled last minute. And so I, I threw it to you. like, do we, do we power through with it or do we cancel? and you said, you said, let's go for it. Now, Doug's and I, we've done the two of us before. ⁓ but you and I have not.

Nilla: Yeah. Just go for it. Yeah.

Bright: and it's probably a good thing we got, you know, we got somewhere between 30 and 60 listeners out there. So I'd hate to disappoint them. Right. So that's right. ⁓ but I have work events the next two Thursdays. So I know two in a row. So that's not to say that we can't try and record next week. I don't know if anybody would want to do a Tuesday night or something like that, but, ⁓ yeah, maybe, maybe.

Nilla: Oh, yeah, I know, don't want disappoint him. okay. Yeah. Right. Yeah, we'll figure it out. So the kids, huh? Damn kids. ⁓ yeah.

Bright: That's what he said. I don't know. does that mean? Are they, are they acting up or they being sick or they just being jerks? You know? ⁓ yeah, just being kids. Exactly. Who knows? It could be something like that. They could be sick. ⁓ I think there's a new strain of COVID going around. So yeah. Yeah.

Nilla: Right, just being kids, I don't know. Yeah. I'm sure, yeah, why not? What else did I hear something about going on around something to a Ticksworths this year? And then, what else did hear? Something about poultry. Did you hear something about that recently? So it was something about salmonella. And so I was reading it because my parents have chickens. And my wife was like, is it like people killing and eating their chickens out of their backyard or what is it? Well, the article didn't really say specifically, but it also didn't say eggs. It could just be literally

Bright: Yeah, I read that. No. Right.

Nilla: handling them maybe. So I was like, hmm, I sent a link to my mom so we'll see what she says because she actually picks them up and acts like they're like pets sometimes and stuff, you know.

Bright: Yeah Well, if you don't wash your hands after... afterwards... y-uh... yes.

Nilla: They're very dirty. Yeah, I mean they constantly walking around with their shit, you know, so Yeah, I don't know

Bright: Right. Exactly. Yeah. It's not great. You know, like, ⁓ there's a lot of misconceptions about salmonella and one of the biggest, think is that it comes from chickens. Chick raw chickens or raw eggs either way. Yeah. But it's, actually, that's like way down the list. You know, like that's like the 10th leading cause of salmonella is, is chickens of any kind. Flower. Yeah.

Nilla: raw chicken or it's any poultry. Mm. So what's the higher ones? Flour like cooking flour? Huh, interesting.

Bright: Yeah. That's, that's, that's number one, I think. So let you know, when they, when you're making cookies and of course you want to eat the batter and all of that. And they tell you not to do that because you might get salmonella. Everybody assumes it's the cracked egg. It's not, it's like the flour and other stuff that, gets you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. had to look it up to see everything that's in between one and 10, but, ⁓ but yeah, chickens are a lot further down the list, ⁓ than you would think.

Nilla: Yeah. Right. ⁓ yeah, yeah. ⁓ Well yeah, right, right, Yeah.

Bright: What are you drinking tonight before we get into the main topic?

Nilla: ⁓ just my Bud Light Lime, you know. I like the lime. Yeah.

Bright: Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it got cooler all of a sudden. So, ⁓ yeah, yeah, it feels like it. Yeah. Yeah. I the windows open last night though. ⁓ it felt good. No, it wasn't. It didn't, you know, our house, especially upstairs runs hot. So it wasn't on, I think I probably haven't said it like 66 or something like that. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

Nilla: Yeah, for the next like week or something at least. mean, it's crazy temperatures for now. ⁓ I bet you the heat was on this morning almost if you have it on still. ours was on. Yeah, that's true. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's probably about what we have ours on at night. Like it cool.

Bright: Yeah. It felt great all night long until you go to like wake up and you're like, son of a right. Right. That's the, and that, know, I'm okay. Cause I'm strong willed, but, but my, yes, we're men, but my wife, you know, she's whining at me, turn off the fan, close the windows. Yeah. I'm like, ⁓ man. You know, kids are running around. I don't know. ⁓

Nilla: Oh yeah, you don't want to get out of the covers. Yeah. Yeah. Because we're men. ⁓ reason. Yeah ⁓ yeah.

Bright: All right. Well, I'm glad that we're powering through cause I did some research for today's episode and I thought we could do a little bit of a history lesson, which I'm sure is right up your alley. all right. Sure. Absolutely. Because you remember some things that are considered history, right? You're like, ⁓ I remember that.

Nilla: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I do like history actually more and more as I get older, which is interesting. Well, that's true. Or you know, I don't think we learn certain things or at least I don't know where I was that day or you know mentally.

Bright: For sure. You know, when you're a kid, either you it's in one ear out the other, right? Like it's really not until honestly, like at least high school, you know, that a lot of things start to click. And, and even for me, it was like later high school, or even as I started to get into college, cause a lot of the times in high school, I was, ⁓ I really, I was a slacker, you know, I'd get all the work done, but I literally did the bare minimum, you know, to, to stay afloat.

Nilla: Yeah. Right, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah.

Bright: Okay. I was playing soccer and tennis and I got a job, you know? Yeah. So yeah.

Nilla: I mean that. That's true. Right, right, exactly. Yeah. I didn't like school, but like I somehow I think I had like a 4.0 or no. 4.0.

Bright: 4.0 is like as good as it gets. That's all A's. 3.0? Yeah, Yeah. Right. 3.0 would be a B average. mean, the actual average is 2.0, right? A C? Now, I don't think that's actually the average, you know. Maybe the high school you went to, you know, I don't know about that. Yeah.

Nilla: Well, maybe it wasn't that then, it was like 3.5 maybe. Yeah, I was gonna say a 3.0, but no, that doesn't sound high enough. Then what's that like a average? B? Eh. Okay, okay, not good. Yeah, right, exactly. Maybe it's like a 3.2. Maybe South County Tech.

Bright: I was, I, you know, I don't really remember my GPA. was probably in the three, five to four. I was not at a four. ⁓

Nilla: Well, wasn't there a possibility of getting higher four if you did like these, what do call those special classes? College prep.

Bright: Yeah. So I did, you know, I, I did a lot of honors classes, ⁓ which we got like an extra 0.6. So if you got, if you got an A, you got a 4.6, which would help, you know, balance out maybe a subject that you weren't so good at. And then now they didn't really hand out A pluses, but technically my, my school did. And so if you earned a true A plus, guess the teacher could give it to you. And then if you were in an honors class, it'd be a 0.6.

Nilla: Honour soon. .6 Okay. Sure sure.

Bright: So you could get, that would be a four, five, that'd be a five, one. Yes, right.

Nilla: Okay, 5 for 1, okay, so I was thinking 5 maybe would be like the 4 for 1, or 5 for 1, seems an odd number, but... So, what's an A plus though, you're saying? Is that like a 97, 98 %? What? 100? Oh, okay, gotcha.

Bright: Right, exactly. I don't know. No, I think it was a 99 or a hundred. Yeah. I think it was 99 or a hundred. And we also went by the, the eight point scale. So at a, at a night or maybe it's a seven point, whatever it's called a 92 would be, was a B plus. Right. So that would be like, instead of a three, that'd be like a 3.25, I think. Right. Correct. So if you got a, a minus, then you're, you were probably looking at, I think it was probably like a

Nilla: Mm-hmm. Yeah. ⁓ okay, gotcha. Yeah, so instead of an A- it's a B+. Interesting,

Bright: 3.75

Nilla: So what is it, like a curve or something kinda? I mean...

Bright: Not in a curve. don't know. It's just a slightly different scale, you know, cause that when you get to college, it's, it's either an A or B. are no pluses or minuses a lot of the times, you know, sometimes pass fail. Absolutely. So, but to your point, you're right. Like how much of the stuff do you remember? Um, you know, unless you're reading it when you're an adult or then you start figuring all this stuff out. Well, sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Nilla: Yeah. Or pass fail. Yeah. Right. Unless you were just really into it then, but I don't know. mean, I don't think it's most kids, but yeah.

Bright: Well, and then that's the thing though, as you get older, you start being like, ⁓ this is interesting stuff. You know, like I, I want to. Maybe, well, there's nothing else to do. You're like, what else I'm to do? I might as well read about history. You know, it's the. Sure. Yeah. Right. All right. What is the, so I know you like the curse of Oak Island. think that is that on history channel? ⁓ I was watching, ⁓ this is a while back. My dad was like, you have to watch, ⁓

Nilla: Yeah, I think we've just become more boring. You I watch the history channel a decent amount actually, like random stuff. I'm like, wow, that's interesting. Sure, It is actually, think, yeah.

Bright: secret Hitler or what was it called? The search for Hitler or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. That was real. I, cause I was always really into world war two and all that stuff.

Nilla: ⁓ yeah, yeah, that's one of them I think. I've seen some episodes of it, yeah. Hmm. Well, that kind of is like to some degree, which I've seen episodes of like, what's that one dude's name? Josh Gates, you know? ⁓ you do what? You don't know. Expedition Unknown. Yeah, so he has a couple of episodes sometimes every once in while where it's like Bigfoot, right? They're hunting for Bigfoot. There's a show specifically about that. They never find him.

Bright: I don't know that I know. ⁓ yeah, yeah, I've definitely heard of it. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Nilla: You know, but it's interesting still, you know, like these people seriously for swear like the guy that basically is real. It's like, how has somebody not caught him by now? I don't know. We'll see. Like aliens.

Bright: No. Sure. Well, and that's the thing with, with Hitler, you know, the whole thing, they do all these episodes and they'd like, let's show you this bunker. And we were able to trace blah, blah, but nobody ever fought. have eight seasons is how many seasons of the curse of Oak Island or other, have they ever found the treasure? You know what the treasure is? It's all the commercials they're selling because you're watching the history channel. That's the treasure, right?

Nilla: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, uh, 13 now, I think. Not yet. No, there is something, I still, for real, I mean, like the evidence is just like, come on, it's, you can't pass it up, I mean.

Bright: You All right. I tell you. All right. Well, my history lesson today and it's fitting is all about presidential assassinations or assassination attempts. So, I mean, we can't, when did this happen? This happened Saturday night last week, right? So our episode aired Friday and then Saturday night was the white house correspondence dinner. ⁓ you know, assassination attempt number three against president Trump foiled.

Nilla: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. At least, like real ones. I mean there's been a couple other ones, but...

Bright: You know, at least the ones that we know of and right, you know, that are documented and I got them. So I'll read them. What I can tell you just looking through my list that nobody else has three assassination attempts against them. Not real ones. Anyway, there, you know, there were a couple when I was doing my research where it was, they foiled a plot, but it never actually got to the stage where, you know, the, know, right, right. Yeah. So I was like, you know what? We're not including foiled plots. There's probably too many, too many of those, right?

Nilla: Mm-hmm. Right. Right, right. Anybody tried to actually go through with it? Yeah. ⁓ there would be, yeah. Or you wouldn't know about him even. Yeah.

Bright: You know that, yeah. Or you don't know about all of them. That's exactly it. But I was like, there's, you know, there's some good stuff on here, ⁓ in the sense of interesting stuff, not, you know.

Nilla: So in this list, who was the most previous president before that these assassinations were against?

Bright: George W. Bush?

Nilla: The first... Oh, W. Okay.

Bright: this W the second. Yes. Yes. Well, and they're both George, but it was George Herbert Walker. So George one, they usually put the H in there, George HW Bush. And then, ⁓ you know, the, yeah. Yep. Well, you know, and when I read about it, I was like, ⁓ yeah, I kind of remember that, but it's also one that probably didn't get enough attention. ⁓ there's one on here for bill Clinton, which again, I was like, ⁓ that does sound familiar. And we were pretty young, ⁓ when bill Clinton was president in 94.

Nilla: Okay. Gotcha. Alright. Hmm, okay. I don't know if I knew about it. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah.

Bright: Uh, Ronald Reagan, uh, I, you know, I am familiar with that one and then there, you know, there's a whole slew of them. So, uh, how about I just give you, I got three facts for each one. Um, and then, uh, I bet you didn't know. And those are the most interesting.

Nilla: So where does this start? Like how far back we going here? To the beginning? Alright.

Bright: Well, we go all the way back to the first, all the way back to the beginning. And if we're dragging on here, because there are a total of 16 assassination attempts. ⁓ so I'll just, I'm just going to roll it along. ⁓ you know, you, you tell me what you're thinking, but I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to go too slow. We'll be here for two hours, you know? So, all right, Andrew Jackson, 1835, he survived. He was the sitting president and his attacker was Richard Lawrence.

Nilla: What? Yeah? Okay. Sure, too much, right?

Bright: The location was at the U S Capitol building. So this was the first documented direct assassination attempt against the U S president. Lawrence pulled a pistol on Jackson and fired, but it misfired. So then he pulled a second pistol and fired and that one also misfired. So after that Jackson attacked him with a cane and that's kind of what it's most known for. He beat him.

Nilla: Hmm. Wow.

Bright: beat him with his cane. So, ⁓ a couple-

Nilla: Why was it him? was there not anybody there like there's no security I guess.

Bright: No. And we'll get to that. That is an interesting point too, but that's a very good observation. ⁓ so again, this was in 1835. So a couple of, a couple of other, like, bet you didn't know. So Lawrence thought that he was the rightful heir to the British monarchy. And he thought King Andrew Jackson was blocking him from succeeding to, ⁓ that role. So he, he was the original no Kings protester. ⁓ yeah, there you go. Right. And.

Nilla: Mm. Mm. Mm. Hmm. ⁓ okay, there you go. Gotcha. Well, he wanted to be the king, Basically.

Bright: Yeah, I know. So that doesn't really work. thought I had a good, a good line there. All right. What do you think the odds of this are though? The fact that he pulled two separate pistols and they both misfired.

Nilla: Well, I was thinking about that too and I was thinking, well, probably a lot better back then. I mean, what was this, you know, like black powder? What I mean, you know, I don't know. It wasn't a musket, but I mean, obviously it was, you know, but still a lot greater. Yeah, yeah.

Bright: Hmm. 1835. they didn't know. Right. Right. Yeah. It's hard to say some kind of revolver or something like that. Right. Um, so the Smithsonian has it or had it, or probably both. They had it and currently have it, but they did a test on it and they gave us the odds of both of them misfiring specific to that gun and that timeframe and all of that. And the odds of both guns misfiring.

Nilla: Yeah. Right. Go.

Bright: Uh, back to back like that. Uh, one in 125,000. Yeah. That's talk about luck.

Nilla: Wow, that's crazy. Well, I mean like where would he actually have shot him? don't know specifically. mean, you know head, heart. mean, you know, I don't know. Then again, medical treatment probably wasn't that great then exactly either.

Bright: Yeah, yeah, right. Nope. And we'll get, we'll get to that too on another one. ⁓ so next we have Abraham Lincoln. So we all know this one 1865. He was the first president that was assassinated. ⁓ he was a sitting president. His attacker was, do you remember the name?

Nilla: Mm-hmm. Thank James Wilt's booth? I don't know. ⁓ John.

Bright: John, John Wilkes Booth. Good job. Yeah. Yeah. John Wilkes Booth. They all have three names, right? So if you succeed, you get all three names. it was at the Ford theater in DC. ⁓ now I was able, lucky enough to do a work event up at the Ford museum in Detroit. And they have, ⁓ they have the seat that Abraham Lincoln was in is on display at the museum. So kind of morbid, but.

Nilla: Yeah, yeah. Mm. Mmm. Well, ⁓ Yeah, that's what I was thinking. mean, kind of, I don't know, interesting, also, yeah, kind of morbid, but...

Bright: You know, yeah. Yeah. History wise, definitely interesting for sure. Um, so Lincoln was shot on April 14th, 1865, just days after the civil war officially ended, uh, Booth shot him in the head while Lincoln was watching. Now I don't expect you to remember this. I never do, but it's always, it's always a trivia question. So if you can remember it, when you go to trivia nights, you're in good shape. The play was called our American cousin.

Nilla: an opera or something. Hmm Hmm.

Bright: That's all I know. I don't know anything about it. And then Lincoln died the next morning. So April 15th, 1865, not instantly. So they say, but they also say that, you know, with Kennedy, and then you go and you watch the video and his brains are literally blowing out, you know, so pretty instant, right? So, you know, who knows? And they run, they rush them off, but they just don't pronounce them.

Nilla: So not instantly? But shot in the head. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that was pretty incensed. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah, exactly.

Bright: Yeah, cause I shot to the head. You know, and again, the guns weren't maybe quite as powerful, but you're talking point blank.

Nilla: Well, that's what I was thinking too, and I don't know what caliber these were really. mean, you who knows, 45 or I don't even know if they're normal sizes as they were today now, but.

Bright: Right. Sure. Right. Sure. Yeah. Couldn't tell you. It could be a 30, 33 caliber, you know? All right. Yeah. All right. Um, boost original plan was to kidnap Lincoln. Uh, but he, changed that plan. Uh, I forget why. Uh, but ultimately he decided to kill him. Um, originally he

Nilla: 38, yeah, I who knows. in general was his views different as far as slavery?

Bright: Yes, he was, he supported the South and the Confederacy and his original plan was to kidnap Lincoln in exchange for Confederate prisoners. ⁓ now I'm again, I can't quite remember, ⁓ why now there, there's another interesting fact that I'm remembering this one off of memory. So forgive me if I get something slightly wrong, but Booth's brother helped Abraham Lincoln's son during the war. And I can't, again, I can't quite remember what it was.

Nilla: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Bye. Yeah. Mm.

Bright: He helped them during a battle, I think. So just kind of like a weird coincidence there.

Nilla: Did you happen to come across this at all? I don't know, like you're probably looking up, but it's like some weird, if you will, coincidences between ⁓ John Wilkes Booth, the name of the place they were at, which was Ford, and you don't talk them out? There's like the year because of somebody else who assassinated somebody else in the future and they were, ⁓ it was Henry Ford, I think, or no, not Henry Ford. Who was the other president at Ford?

Bright: Yeah. I've heard this before. ⁓ Yeah. Uh-huh. Gerald Ford. has no, but he has two attempts against them. Yeah. Right. Well, you know, and after, after this Trump one, know duds posted something and I did see it. It's hard to follow in some of them, but some of the things are strange, you know, and you're like, So like there was one tweet.

Nilla: Drilled Ford, was he assassinated? Tried. Okay. They're all basically like weird, like corresponding things that are kind of coincidences, or are they? Yeah. It's fast, but... Yeah. The things you do pick up on, like, that seems really coincidental.

Bright: by this guy on a, on a page from like 2022. And he just happened to post the name of the guy that just tried to kill Trump. Right. And then he made his, yeah, I think so. And then he made his profile picture look like Trump's profile picture from the white core, a white house correspondence dinner. Right. I'm like, I don't know. But the fact that it was posted in 2022 and it was the only, but it does seem weird. And of course people are trying to say it's like time travelers now, you know,

Nilla: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Alan Cole? Right, except if it was like digitized or something like that or... Yeah. Yeah. Right, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's... I don't know about that, but...

Bright: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know about that. So, all right. Number three. Now this, uh, this one we talked about on the pod a little bit because, uh, we talked about that Netflix docu-series, um, death by lightning. Uh, and it's a four part like mini series. And we talked about it probably early on in the, in the pod, uh, James a Garfield 1881. Uh, and he was assassinated. He was the sitting president.

Nilla: Start shooting to you.

Bright: I highly recommend the Netflix show. It was very interesting. Yeah, it's on Netflix, Death by Lightning, only like four episodes, easy. And it's got a lot of famous actors in it. So yeah, it's pretty interesting. And he was assassinated by Charles Gouteau. Charles Gouteau. I don't know that he was actually French. They talk about that in the series.

Nilla: Hmm. I don't remember that one actually. You're talking about it. Mmm, okay. French.

Bright: ⁓ so he was assassinated at the Washington DC railroad station. Garfield was shot on July 2nd, 1881, only four months after becoming president. And when he became president, they talk about this in the show. He was like a long shot. Like he wasn't even really running for president. ⁓ and when it, when it came time for the convention and everything, somehow his name.

Nilla: Yeah.

Bright: ⁓ got thrown out there and they couldn't decide on anybody else. So eventually they just said like, screw it. Let's go with Garfield. And then it just picked up momentum and momentum. of a sudden Garfield became a, the nomi, the nominee and they won. And then he was assassinated four months later. So, you know, talk about what started out as like good luck out of nowhere. And then you're, you're murdered. So now here's, here's the thing, the bullet wound in and of itself, ⁓ pretty survivable.

Nilla: Well... I guess. Yeah, right. Motor. Where was he shot at? In his head? ⁓ his back. Okay.

Bright: ⁓ it is back in his back. think yes. Shot in the back and they couldn't get the bullet out. So doctors kept trying to dig in there to get it out. And this was before the days of sterilization, ⁓ or sterilization was just starting to become a thing, but the, the main doctor just kept digging in it. And so gave him an infection. He died from the affectionate infection 80 days after being shot.

Nilla: Mm-hmm. Hmm, okay. Wow. Infected, dying for 80 days. Wow. Yeah.

Bright: Yeah. It was not, yeah, not good. when you watch the show, uh, yeah, it's, it's not good either. And yeah, it's not basically, yeah. Yeah. Basically like a staph infection. And at some point, like he knows he's going to die. Um, and he gets on a train and takes the train like up to his lake house or whatever, like on his death bed so that he can go like, I think it's his beach house actually. So he can die.

Nilla: So is that like staph infection? I guess, mean, kind of. Die there. Yeah.

Bright: ⁓ looking out at the ocean or whatever. So, yeah. So it's interesting. His is an interesting story for sure. All right. So that's two back to back, right? So Jackson survives Lincoln dead Garfield dead, William McKinley 1901 assassinated. So now we've got three presidents now not, they're not all consecutive as far as they were presidents in between.

Nilla: Hmm, there we go. Mm-hmm. Sure. Yeah.

Bright: ⁓ but McKinley, ⁓ he was a sitting president. was, ⁓ assassinated by Leon. tough one. Scalich I'm guessing it's a, ⁓ a Polish name. Scollitch. I don't know. So this was in Buffalo, New York. Yeah. Or check maybe. Right. ⁓ so he was shot by it while greeting the public at the pan American exposition. ⁓ his assassin Leon was an anarchist.

Nilla: Hmm. That's I was thinking, baby. Or check. Something like that, I don't know.

Bright: And McKinley died eight days later. And this is when ⁓ Teddy Roosevelt became president. Teddy Roosevelt became president.

Nilla: Well... So I guess that means he was the vice president then originally.

Bright: Yes, that is correct. All right. And then this is the assassination, um, that brought about the secret service. So finally people were like, maybe we should start, you know, uh, start to give our president's security guy only took three dead presidents before we said that. All right. Ugh. All right. So then 20 or excuse me, 2012, 1912 Teddy Roosevelt gets an assassination attempt.

Nilla: Mmm, okay. you Yeah, right. Hmm.

Bright: So at this time he's the former president and he's running again. So he was president and then he's decided not to run. And then now he's running again.

Nilla: Yeah, okay. Well, I don't know what their terms were back then, if they were, you know, different or not. I don't know.

Bright: You mean as far as like Republican Democrat and all that? no, we were not up to that. So there was no rules about how many times or anything like that at this, at this point, because I think he had already served eight years and then he took four years off and then he decided that he wanted to run again. ⁓ and he actually ran as a, as the third party, I think this time he was the bull moose, the bull moose, ⁓ nominee.

Nilla: No, like how many times can they run? you know, I was it the same? Was it? Okay, okay, interesting. Alright, that's kind what I was wondering, was ⁓ Hmm. Interesting.

Bright: So he was wounded. ⁓ his attacker was John Shrink. This was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and he was shot while campaigning as the bull moose candidate. And the only reason he survived is cause he was shot and in his jacket pocket, he had his folded up speech and his eyeglass case, and it slowed the bullet enough, ⁓ that he survived. Now.

Nilla: Wow.

Bright: Here's the craziest part and people really talk about Teddy Roosevelt. There's books about this guy and about how cool he was. And was a boxer and you know, a big game hunter and all of these things. Well, after he was shot, he still gave a 90 minute speech before he went and got medical treatment.

Nilla: Yeah. Hmm. Hmm.

Bright: Yeah. He said it takes more than that to kill a bull moose. So that's, that's how we started his speech. He told the crowd that he had just been shot and said, it takes more than that to kill a bull moose.

Nilla: It probably would, I would assume a bull moose is probably pretty strong.

Bright: Yep. Yep. You would think so. Right. All right. So that was 1912. Now we have FDR Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1933. ⁓ and there is a relation there. I can't quite remember exactly what it was. Yeah. It's like a, it's like a second nephew or something like that. So it's not like a direct descendant, but, ⁓ right. Yeah. Not, and he never became president, but right.

Nilla: Mm. That's I was just wondering. was like, ⁓ okay. Okay. Right. Right. Like Robert Kennedy, Jr. Roll right, but maybe could in the future. knows? ⁓ no. of cage. Yes.

Bright: Well, you're, and yeah, you're thinking of, you're thinking of RF, RFK, uh, junior, then right, Bobby Kennedy, um, he probably would have been president except he was assassinated. So he's not on my list because he wasn't a president. Uh, but he was, he, yeah, he was assassinated. So, um, all right. So FDR, he survived. He was president elect. So he had not even been sworn in yet. His attacker was Giuseppe Zangara and the location was Miami, Florida.

Nilla: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, it's true. That's true. Yeah. Mm. Hmm.

Bright: ⁓ Zingara fired into the crowd where Roosevelt was speaking. Roosevelt was not hit, but Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was fatally wounded. Yeah, I know. So somebody, he, he took one, you know, unfortunately spectators grabbed Zingara after he opened fire and Roosevelt reportedly stopped the crowd from beating him to death.

Nilla: Mmm, well. Well, you know. Wow. Hmm. What did happen to him? I mean, for life, hopefully. Mm

Bright: Yep. Yep. Crazy. I'm assuming he went to prison. didn't do enough research to, to go into all of that. I can tell you what happened to some of them. Um, Harry Truman, uh, Missouri's only president Harry S Truman, uh, 1950, uh, he survived. was the sitting president and he had two attackers, Oscar Colosso and Griselio.

Nilla: Mm.

Bright: Tora Sola and the locate. That's what I was just going to say. Sounds Italian to me. Right. And this is after world war II, you know, the, the, the Italians were on the access power, you know, so I don't know. We're speculating here. ⁓ but the location was the Blair house, Washington, DC. Truman was staying at the Blair house because the white house was under renovation. ⁓

Nilla: These guys sound Italian. This is mob. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah, for sure. Yeah. Huh. What is the Blair Ops?

Bright: ⁓ think it's, it's where the vice president lives, maybe. ⁓ or some other house. don't, I don't know. Should probably know that. All right. Well, here you go. They're not Italian. I should have, I should have looked at this. They were Puerto Rican nationalists. Puerto Rican nationalists.

Nilla: Oh really? Okay. I dunno. I was just curious. clear. Mmm. Well, that's funny because I was actually curious about the other guy who killed the guy out in Miami What was his name Giuseppe? But that's Italian But then I was like, well, I don't know cuz Miami is a big spot for Latino. So I was like, well, I don't know is he interesting

Bright: Yeah. That sounds Italian. Yeah. Italian. Right. Right. Yeah. Who knows? Don't know. ⁓ so secret service officer, Leslie Colfelt was killed, but he also was able to fatally shoot one of the attackers before he died. So he took one of them out. He died. He is the only secret service officer in history to die protecting a president. Yeah. So pretty, pretty crazy. All things considered, ⁓ Caroline and I, just started watching paradise. ⁓ this

Nilla: Well, hmm, let's see... I feel like I've seen it before and it looked good, but what's it about?

Bright: Well, we're only two episodes in and so far it is good and I won't give the spoiler away, but it starts with a guy that yeah, for sure. Um, yeah, from St. Louis, Sterling K Brown, and he's a secret service agent and he stops a bullet from, from hitting up the president who is, uh, what, what is his name? I can't think of his name.

Nilla: ⁓ it's kind of apocalyptic or no. It's the guy from Missouri, right? ⁓ Yeah, Sterling, that's it. Hmm. Okay. Wasn't not real.

Bright: I don't know. Anytime you're on the spot. Well, no, not the actual guy's name. He's James Marsden. He's in everything. James Marsden, literally in everything, you know? ⁓ so yeah, Truman almost got killed because the White House was basically in remodel mode. So even presidents have contractor problems.

Nilla: No. Right. ⁓ okay. Gotcha. All right. No.

Bright: All right. That takes us up to Kennedy. So certainly the most famous probably, um, and the Kennedy assassination really more or less created the modern American conspiracy ecosystem, if you will. Right. Like this. Yeah. This really started at all. So, uh, he was assassinated in the first one in a while. Right. So the first one since McKinley. So it had been 62, 63 years, give or take.

Nilla: Hmm. Yeah, probably. Right.

Bright: ⁓ since the president had been a set assassinated. So, you know, probably the first time in many people's lives. ⁓ you know, he was a sitting press, ⁓ sitting president. All right. You remember the name of the guy who killed Kennedy, right?

Nilla: Yeah. The Oswald something or I don't know. Be happy, Harvey. I was like, I know these names, but who is it? You know, yeah.

Bright: Yeah. Lee Harvey Oswald. Yeah. It's tougher when you're on the spot, right? Like, what is it? What is it? Yeah. Lee Harvey Oswald. And we, know, again, this is a whole nother episode, so we're not going to go down that whole thing, but you know, he was supposedly at the, the school book, ⁓ school book compositor, is that what they called it? ⁓ the building where he worked. Yeah. The book will be, yeah. Where he worked, right.

Nilla: Yeah.

Bright: ⁓ was he working for the Russians? Was he working for the Cubans? He had, know, they know all that stuff. Was he working for the CIA? Was he a Patsy? You know, there's supposedly new evidence, you know, Trump has released more and more documents, but then there's supposedly still like 30 pages completely redacted that they won't release. yeah. Yep. Yep. Now there's a good book and a good.

Nilla: Damn, I'm right. Of course, right. Well, that's just more questions almost sometimes, you know, really

Bright: TV show or mini series about this. I'm sure there's a lot of them, but Stephen King, who I don't love Stephen King, he's a little crazy these days. But you know, his books are good nonetheless. ⁓ It's called 11 22 63. Of course, that's the date that Kennedy was assassinated. The more I say that word, the harder it is to get out of your mouth. And you know, that's an interesting one to like go ask your parents about. First of all, like where were you? Right? Like they all

Nilla: Yeah. Hehehehe Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Bright: They all remember where they were much like our nine 11, but the, book and the TV show, which stars James Franco, ⁓ it's all about, ⁓ somebody discovers a more or less like a wormhole into the past, but it only goes to one day. And so if you, if you leave to come back, no, no, but, but it kind of feels like that for a little bit, because every time you go back in the past, it always takes you to like.

Nilla: Groundhog Day. you

Bright: You know, January 1st, 1950 or whatever it is. Right. So eventually this guy that figures it out, you know, he's like, well, I have to stay long enough to make it to 1963 and save Kennedy. You know, so it's, it's an interesting, ⁓ an interesting, ⁓ read and then it's a long read. So if you don't want to read it, go watch the mini series with James Franco. more or less the same.

Nilla: Mm-hmm. Right, Mm. Mm. Yeah. Also titled the same 11, 22, 63. Okay. Gotcha.

Bright: Yep. 11, 22, 63. might be on Netflix now. Originally it was like Hulu, think. Um, and then actually duds and I, think we were talking about, um, one of my favorites, another St. Louis in here, Scott Bacula. Uh, he did quantum leap. I don't know if you remember that show again. It was, yeah, they redid it. Um, it got canceled, uh, you know, and it lasts like four or five seasons, but again, we were kind of young when it came out. Uh, but I do remember watching one episode when I was younger.

Nilla: That sounds familiar.

Bright: And it was him, Scott Bacula, you know, he goes back into the past and to other people's bodies and lives their lives. And he has to figure out why he's there. He always has a mission, but he doesn't know what it is. Well, in this particular one, he ends up being a secret service agent on Kennedy's detail. And he thinks he's there to save Kennedy and the big twist at the end. I'm going to, I'm going to ruin it for anybody. mean, the show came out in the eighties, late eighties, maybe early nineties. ⁓ he was there to save.

Nilla: Mm. Ready. Bye bye. Yeah.

Bright: Jackie Kennedy. So in our reality, know, Jackie Kennedy was, was saved, you know, and, and I guess the original timeline, she was assassinated too, but he goes back and saves her. So it's a, yeah, it was definitely a season finale and season premiere episode. I remember that.

Nilla: Eugh. Okay. Hmm. Interesting. Well yeah, mean because if you think about Kennedy, I mean I'm sure that was a fairly high-powered rifle. I don't know, I'm sure we could pull it up. So basically if it was lined up right, could have easily and potentially killed both of them.

Bright: Mm-hmm. ⁓ for sure. You know, and he took, I think he took at least three shots, right? Missed the first one hit other ones. He also, ⁓ he also killed the Texas governor, John Canale. ⁓ if I'm pronouncing that right. No, he didn't kill him. Sorry. Wounded him. He was shot, but he was not, he was not killed. And then of course, ⁓ Lee Harvey Oswald was assassinated. ⁓ now this is a good trivia question too. And I can't think of the guy's name.

Nilla: Yeah, it's a couple. ⁓ Yeah. ⁓ okay. Alright. Hmph. ⁓ yeah. Eugh.

Bright: ⁓ but it's also an interesting story. He was like the owner of like strip clubs and I guess he, frequented a lot of the police officers and so they knew who he was. And so he was there when they were transporting Oswald and he just went and shot him. And of course, then nobody ever got the answers. And of course people that just feeds into the conspiracy aspect of it all, you know, so, but I can't think of his name.

Nilla: Mmm. Yeah, right, I did look this up here though as far as the coincidences, if you will. ⁓ So it says here that Abraham Lincoln and his assassin John Wilkes Booth had several eerie coincidences, including being in the same city, Albany, New York, in 1861. ⁓ Major parallels exist, particularly when comparing both to JFK, assassin Lee, Harvey Oswald. Both were known by three names.

Bright: Yeah.

Nilla: Totalling both 15 letters each which is also kind of odd ⁓ Both were southerners and both were killed before trial Let's see here Theater okay, we go both shot Lincoln in a theater and fled to a barn or warehouse Where Oswald shot Kennedy from a warehouse and was caught in the theater so the opposite which is crazy ⁓

Bright: Yeah, okay Yeah, yeah Yes. The theater. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do remember that. Yeah.

Nilla: Both were alive for a short time after the attack before being killed, with some often quoted by inaccurate claims stating that they were born exactly 100 years apart. Booth was 1838, Oswald was 1939. So they're saying they were not, I guess. Shared location, targeted workplace. Forged theater. Wrathbone, there's a box in there. So type of Booth but survived. Oh, a repository.

Bright: Yeah, not actually born 100 close, but. Schoolbook repository. That's what it was called. Repository. Schoolbook repository.

Nilla: who commonly cited but often embellished Lincoln Kennedy similarities. Okay, now there was more than that, I thought.

Bright: I'm sure that there is, you know, people start connecting these dots sometimes where they don't belong. You know, it is interesting. Yeah. The warehouse to theater theater to where, you know, like that, that's definitely like the middle name thing. Okay. I mean, there are, happens now, right? Tiffany Amber Thiessen, Sarah Michelle Geller, like, and then these are famous people, but they went by three names. ⁓

Nilla: Well, right. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah, true.

Bright: I don't, I don't know. ⁓ the fact that the same amount of letters, that's probably just a coincidence. I like the, I like the theater, ⁓ warehouse thing more. I'd almost want to see, cause like I said, you know, booths brother Lincoln's son is, you know, is there any kind of connection there? You know, ⁓ you, you could do a lot. Like I said, there's a whole nother episode going into JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald history and all of that stuff.

Nilla: That is, yeah, I'm sure. Yes, Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's interesting. Lincoln Kennedy coincidence is urban legend on Wikipedia.

Bright: Right, but it's an urban legend, so it's not right. None of this is substantiated right. Yeah.

Nilla: Right, well, it's no facts. Exactly. Just coincidences.

Bright: Just go in. That was the name of our last episode. what point do coincidences stop being coincidences? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes me think of the Seinfeld episode, right? There are big coincidences and little coincidences. And the one that's like, no, there are just coincidences. There's no, no such thing as big or little. It's just coincidences. It's a great, it's a great one. ⁓ all right, moving on. ⁓ number nine, Gerald Ford, September 5th, 1975. He survived. So again, Ford, was the sitting president.

Nilla: ⁓ it was actually. Yeah, it's true. Yeah Yeah.

Bright: And his attacker was a woman, Lynette squeaky from, ⁓ yeah, squeaky. location was Sacramento, California. And this one's interesting because she was a Charles Manson follower. Yeah. Yeah. So she got close enough to fire, ⁓ well, to point a pistol at Ford, but secret service stopped her before she could fire. Yeah. So interesting. then.

Nilla: Mmm. week. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm, yep.

Bright: Ford again. All right. So FOM squeaky, uh, was September 5th. The next one, September 22nd, Sarah Jane Moore, another woman. I know. So this one was crazy, right? So we went from Sacramento, California to San Francisco, California. It could have been the same trip, right? Just like working his way up, you know, the coast or something. Um,

Nilla: Wow. Is that the only women? I was gonna say woman, but, True, yeah. ⁓

Bright: So this happened just 17 days after the last attempt, Moore fired a pistol at Ford, but she missed because of course she did. Uh, yeah, that's, that's a joke. That's a joke. Nope.

Nilla: I was like what? I was like, okay. Was it in, was it in Cahoots? You think with the other woman originally? Everybody knows. Yeah. Well, I was like, wow.

Bright: In, in cahoots. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. We'll got to go with my, that's a joke. I got to make sure that none of our female listeners. Good, good, right? Yeah. That's my new bag of tricks. got, I got stuff here. All right. ⁓ a bystander grabbed her arm as she attempted to fire another shot. ⁓ so she was not able now these two FOM and more, the only two women known to have attempted to assassinate a U S president. Yeah. And then you, the fact that these two assassination attempts in 17 days, that's not a presidency. That's the plot of final destination. Do I need to do the laugh track again on that one? Uh, too late. Yeah. All right. That brings us to 1981. This is Ronald Reagan. Um, and I never saw, there's a movie on this one. I never saw it. The assassination of Ronald Reagan. And of course he wasn't, um, actually murdered, but then I kind of remember, and you might have to look this up too. I heard that an assassination doesn't actually have to be, you don't actually have to kill the person. I don't know this is true or not.

Nilla: Yeah. ⁓ really? That's interesting.

Bright: Is just an attempt enough to qualify it as an assassination. I feel like I read that somewhere. ⁓ or maybe it was when this movie came out, the assassination of Ronald Reagan. Well, you look that up. ⁓ he was the sitting president at the time. John Hinckley Jr. Was his attacker. And this happened in Washington DC. Where? Yes. At the Washington Hilton. No, not the Blair house, the Washington Hilton where we're

Nilla: That same building? The what was it called? The Blair? Or... Oh, that one! Wow. Interesting. Coincidence? I mean... It says, assassination, I guess, is the willful killing... Killing, it says, by a sudden or secret attack or a person, especially a prominent or important one, typically for political or ideological... Ideological? Yeah, that's it.

Bright: President Trump was just at for the White House Correspondents Dinner. I don't know. I don't know. Okay, all right. Yep, I know it's a tough word to say, but yeah, you got it.

Nilla: reasons. So it says killing.

Bright: Yeah. All right. So, okay. Maybe you do actually have to kill the person. All right. ⁓ so Reagan was outside the Washington Hilton though. Hinkley fired all six rounds in less than two seconds. The bullet hit Reagan had ricocheted off the limousine and struck him under his left armpit.

Nilla: Who? Reagan. Oh, I thought you meant the guy who shot for a second. I was like, would that be crazy?

Bright: Reagan. Yes, Reagan. No. So yeah. So he didn't, he missed Reagan, but got the limousine and then the limousine, ⁓ got him. So, ⁓ Reagan joked with the doctors before surgery that he hoped they were all Republicans. All the doctors. Yeah. ⁓

Nilla: Right. Well, hey, you you joke, but I mean nowadays they probably wouldn't even, you know, actually save the guy. They'd be like, ah, no, I don't think so. Wasn't there some story about that recently? Oh.

Bright: Well, you know, and I, yeah, I kind of want to get to that a little bit. don't know if, you know, with, with all these attempts on Trump, you know, there's a lot of people that are just, of course, either woke up there's, there's a, a one that went viral. It's a lady, she was a teacher somewhere and she said she woke up to the news and was so disappointed that, you know, he wasn't killed.

Nilla: That's true. Was that just recently? Okay. Right, sure, sure. Yeah.

Bright: Yeah, on this one. Now this happened before too with his other attempts, you know, but just recently, and I think she got fired, you know. Yeah.

Nilla: My boss was saying something about that and I didn't actually hear this specifically but then I was like, wow, it's crazy, I mean...

Bright: Yeah. There's all these stories that the ones we're going through where these bystanders jumped in and they held them down or almost beat them to death and you know, did all this stuff. But if you were a Democrat and somebody was, you'd be like, Hey man, like it just doesn't seem right. You know? And the, like, don't, I don't think, you know, certainly based on the times or based on history, nobody's celebrated JFK's assassination. Right?

Nilla: Right. Sure. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right, now it's crazy. Now, for sure.

Bright: And he was a polarizing president. And a lot of people didn't like them, but I, you know, I don't think, you know, I think people liked them as a person, which they don't, a lot of people don't with Trump. You know, I think people liked Kennedy as a person. They maybe didn't like his policies because he was a very liberal president, ⁓ at the time, certainly. ⁓ but I don't, I don't know that. Yeah. I don't know that people celebrate it. And of course this was the day before the days of social media where anybody with a platform like us could say whatever they want.

Nilla: I mean... Sure, true. Well, sure. Right. Well, a lot strange since then, but yeah. Well, right, sure, exactly. Yeah, ⁓

Bright: But yeah, yeah, not good. Uh, all right. So getting towards the end here, uh, Bill Clinton, like this is the one I was kind of like, really? Um, but, but then when, when I read it, you might be like, oh yeah, I kind of remember that. So this happened in 1994. Uh, he was the president. This happened at the white house. His attacker was Francisco Martin Duran. So three names, uh, Duran fired 29 rounds at the white house.

Nilla: Mm-hmm.

Bright: ⁓ he thought that the, was a man on the lawn that was Clinton, it was not Clinton. Right. Almost Clinton was actually inside watching football and was completely unaware of the attack. Right. So, ⁓ Duran claimed he was trying to save the world from an alien mist.

Nilla: Wow. Mmm...kay.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah. So that's the part where I remember, I kind of remember this attack on the white house and, and that's more of what it was. It was less of an attack on Clinton and attack on the white house.

Nilla: Now, do you think specifically of all these people, the three name thing? I mean, we all have three names, but we don't really go by that. really knows people's middle names. Do you think that they just use that because that was their real name or do they actually go by that? You know what I mean?

Bright: Right. Well, like for the history books, maybe, ⁓ you know, certainly like today's standards, if you go and try and look somebody up, like you almost need to narrow it down a little bit. There's too many, you know, of names. So like, that why is because there were other people that were called, ⁓ John Booth and they were like, Hey man, not me. That was John Wilkes Booth. Not, not, not John Joseph. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Nilla: Right. Well, sure, true. Yeah. Well, yeah, true, true. Yeah, because the names were like a lot more common, like, well, especially John and yeah, I mean, I don't know about Booth specifically, but well, then again, nowadays, there's a lot more people, I mean, in general. So yeah, it makes more sense. Yeah.

Bright: Sure. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's definitely true too. So I don't know. I don't know. ⁓ all right. George W. Bush, 2005. Now I do remember this one. ⁓ he was a sitting president. This happened in not the state, but the country of Georgia over there by Russia. And his attacker was Vladimir, of course, ⁓ a root neon Vladimir or root neon.

Nilla: Mm-hmm.

Bright: So Bush was giving a speech and a rootinian threw a live grenade on the stage. But the grenade did not explode.

Nilla: BLEH Duh-duh.

Bright: Yeah. So I guess the grenade was wrapped in cloth so that he could conceal it. And that prevented the, the pin mechanism from like working properly, I guess. So even if he pulled the pin, like it didn't, ⁓ it wasn't enough to, yeah. So the attacker escaped that day, but was arrested months later after a shootout where he killed a Georgian police officer. Yeah. Crazy.

Nilla: Mm-hmm. Okay. Well... Interesting. Hmm. Because they were trying to apprehend him for this? Okay. Okay. Alright. I didn't know if it was because I was completely random, like unrelated, I was like, boy, that's no way. Hmm.

Bright: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for the grenade attack, yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. ⁓ so here's my joke for this one. Bush survived because the grenade got defeated by fabric somewhere. A laundry basket deserves a medal of freedom.

Nilla: There you go, at Ricks. ⁓

Bright: Yeah, I knew that wasn't a good one, but I wanted to throw that in there. All right. So now that brings us all the way to Trump. You know, so, you know, no attempts on Obama. ⁓ no attempts on Biden, ⁓ no attempts on Trump in his first presidency. ⁓ although there were some foiled plots. ⁓ when I was doing my research, I saw some foil plots. ⁓ but we had, ⁓

Nilla: Yeah. Sure.

Bright: We have several here and I'll go through these pretty quick because we know what they are, right? July 13th, 2024. ⁓ he was a former president and presidential candidate. This was the one from Butler, Pennsylvania. His attacker was Thomas Matthew Crooks. And of course he was assassin or he was taken down, ⁓ from the roof.

Nilla: ⁓ yeah. Intricate But, yeah, his bullet didn't match the rifle.

Bright: No, that was Charlie Kirk, I think. Right. And then it did match the rifle and like, how, you know, I think so. You know, that's what's so strange about this. So of course the bullet struck Trump's right ear. And really when you do look at it, it's crazy because he does this.

Nilla: Was it? maybe it was now. Yeah, yeah.

Bright: Right. Like, and if he doesn't do that, it's over. Right. And I could only imagine what, cause our country was in a heated battle at this point. Yeah. Trump was actually assassinated. Like, don't even know how things would have gone down. It would have been certainly very different. Um, you know, do the, do the Republicans, if Trump is assassinated, did the Republicans win?

Nilla: Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Bright: By default, like not by default in the sense that like you hand the Republicans the presidency, but does the, does the country rally around JD Vance at that stage because of what went down? I'm thinking probably, you know, you look at JD Vance versus Kamala Harris after a Trump assassination.

Nilla: I mean, well, I mean... Sure. I don't know. mean, possibly it could have been more so. Yeah, because of the, you know, no Trump-er. mean, never Trump-ers. Maybe. I mean, I don't know.

Bright: Right. Never. Right. Sure. Right. Yeah. People that were on the fence are like, well, I just can't get behind the Democrats. You know, I don't know. So.

Nilla: Well, but obviously I think though that they are so brainwashed that they don't even really care. Again, they're celebrating the possible attempts or they would. mean, they were celebrating Charlie Kirkstaff like you were saying, you know? I mean, so if they're celebrating that, they're already delusional. I mean, these people, so there's no there's no correcting them. There's no like, ⁓ well, if he would have got assassinated, that's going to change their mind. No, they're all for it. They're so far left wing. It's crazy.

Bright: Yeah. Sure, absolutely. Correct. Yes. Right. Yep. Right. They were, they're voting Kamala either way. Right. They're cheering. But you know, the majority of Americans aren't that crazy. Right. We hope we hope, you know, you know, and certainly anybody that listens to this podcast, ⁓ if they're Democrats, ⁓ they are good, then they're good Democrats, right? They're, you know, I don't, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Or they know that we're just cool guys.

Nilla: Yeah. I don't know. Well, we hope, we think, but... They obviously know. Well, maybe, right? Maybe they're more on the fence, you know, I don't know. Well, maybe. I don't know if exists anymore in the minds of people today.

Bright: You know, whether regardless of our political ideology, right? So yes, that, is, that is the question. And, when you do look at just social media and the fake news and you know, that is kind of what you think you start thinking like, ⁓ all Democrats are that crazy or vice versa, you know, or vice versa. If you're a MAGA Republican, then you must be a white supremacist too. Right. Right. So. All right. ⁓

Nilla: Right, right. And it's not true, exactly. Yeah, true. Yeah. Of course.

Bright: So then there was September 15th, 2024. Uh, and this, again, he was the former president and presidential candidate and his attacker again, three names, Ryan, Wesley, Ruth. This guy's nut nutso. And he, this is the one where he was at a Trump's golf club at West Palm beach, Florida, you know, where he was hiding out.

Nilla: ⁓ okay. I didn't even know his name actually when you said it I was like I think I ever heard that name before but it's no good.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah. He was, he was hiding out and, ⁓ yeah, Ruth and he, you know, he was a big Ukrainian guy. ⁓ he, you know, he was a nut bag too. So he, ⁓ you know, he, so he was arrested and on trial and again, trying to represent himself, doing some weird stuff. Now Crooks was killed by the secret service. Well, yeah, by the secret service, you know, by, ⁓

Nilla: Hmm. Mm, yeah.

Bright: There are some weird ones about that one, right? Like they were the, was like one of his first rallies where they had counter snipers and it was the only rally that CNN covered. They had never, they didn't cover any of Trump's rallies because they didn't want to give them the time of day, but they covered that one. Right. It's kind of like, did they know something was going to happen? Right. Like, so

Nilla: Yeah. Hmm. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Right. Yeah, well the counter snipers didn't really do much even though people were pointing to him on the roof beforehand. I mean, come on.

Bright: Yeah. You know, yeah. that same kind of deal with like Charlie Kirk and stuff like that, you know, like there were people that were like, wait, something's going on. And right. Yeah, exactly. You know? Yeah. Right. Well, that's the thing. Sometimes you just assume you're just like, ⁓ those it's the good guys, you know? Right. Yeah, that exactly. You know, so that the wonder maybe, ⁓ unless there's something obvious where you're like, that's a kid, right? Like that, that's not a.

Nilla: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what's this guy up here doing on the roof, you know? Like, ⁓ he's just a counter sniper. ⁓ is he? ⁓ Well, yeah, obviously if it's right there and we see them, then it's obviously like meant to be, you know? Yeah. Well, yeah, right.

Bright: Yeah, I don't know. don't know. And then of course, there was just the most recent one at the White House Correspondents Dinner again at the Washington Hilton. ⁓ The suspect we'll say is Cole Thomas Allen. So again, we got those three names going here. Just in court, he wrote this big manifesto, traveled cross country, ⁓ said he wanted to take out as many people in Trump's cabinet as possible, including Trump.

Nilla: Mm-hmm. True. Well, I don't think that's gonna do that with a shotgun, pistol, and a knife. I don't think that's gonna do it. Maybe the grenade, maybe he needed, you maybe a rocket launcher.

Bright: Yeah, I heard that he did have a high powered rifle on his person or like on his like maybe in his room. Maybe didn't bring with him. Maybe it in his resident. Like, I don't know, you know, but again, that's good. Does he only have three names because yeah.

Nilla: Hmm. Well, so he had three names, you said, but then actually the post. Well, but the post though that was made with his name was denied, include his middle name, did it? The post a couple of years ago, I think it.

Bright: Probably not. Yeah. Well, because nobody refers to themselves by their middle names. Not very often anyway, right? But now that he's, now that he's an assassin, people, now they tag them with the three names.

Nilla: Yeah, weird people. Yeah, right.

Bright: I don't know. It's like when it, were only like almost really only like one year into Trump's presidency, a little bit more than a year. So how much more of this do we have to go? You know, is somebody going to get lucky eventually, you know, and you start to think certainly since really since, ⁓ maybe Reagan or really since Kennedy, you start thinking like, ⁓ the secret service is just so good now, right? They've got this down to a science that there's just no way.

Nilla: Yeah, right, exactly. you Mm-hmm. Sure. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I think that it probably will end up happening, but the thing is, is that doesn't solve it. That doesn't fix the problem. That's not like the end-all, okay, well, no more Republicans then. That's not how that works. mean, I don't know.

Bright: You're right. Nobody's going to be successful because they're, they're too good, but you know, then, yeah. Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. Right. Yeah. No, no, I know. So that's that's all of them. You know, that's all that's all folks. There was again, lots of other attempts. 1861 Baltimore plot for Lincoln, Nixon plot, George H.W. ⁓ bomb plot in Kuwait, ⁓ Clinton in Manila. There's been several ricin letters, all kinds of online threats.

Nilla: That's all folks. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah.

Bright: threats. Of course, ⁓ Iran has had a hit out on Trump for a very long time since he took out, ⁓ I forget the guy's name, know, that general Trump always brings it up.

Nilla: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Was there something else, male? What was it? Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. I'm pretty sure. I don't know who, know, multiple I'm sure, but... Anthrax, what the crap is Anthrax even?

Bright: Anthrax. Yeah. Yeah. Anthrax. Yeah. All of that crazy stuff. So, right. Right. I don't know. It's It's all a white powder, right? It's all a white powder. That's no good. Yeah, it could be. It could be, you know, well, there was cocaine found at the Biden white house. I don't know that they ever figured out. Yeah. I don't know that they ever figured out officially. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Who knows? ⁓

Nilla: That could be fentanyl, who knows, you know, I don't know, I mean, could have been cocaine, I mean, I'm... Well, we know who that was from. Yeah, sure, right. Hmm.

Bright: All right. I do have a small, uh, not small, but a local in the Lou story. Um, this was, got, it's a true crime one. So something a little bit different than what we normally do. Uh, but this just hit the news possibly today even, um, where a 1986 cold case was solved. Did you see this? Yeah. Yeah. So this was a, a famous case.

Nilla: small coincidence. ⁓ I did see it, like, some randomly. Yeah, I was like, what? I mean, how?

Bright: back in 1986 and it was a rape and sodomy cold case in Clayton, ⁓ known as the Shaw park, ⁓ Yeah. So that's the main, yeah, that's the main park in Clayton, I think. Yeah. It's the main park. So

Nilla: Is Shaw Park in Clayton? ⁓ it is, okay. I was thinking it was more of a botanical, like Shaw.

Bright: Yeah. Shaw garden. Yeah. I don't think so. No, I. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think this is the main park over by like the Clayton high school and there's the pool there and all of that, you know? Yeah. I'm pretty sure. So, um, so back in 1986, the woman was reportedly walking to her apartment in Clayton when someone grabbed her from behind and threatened her with a knife. According to probable cause statement from Clayton police department.

Nilla: Right, and there's a name in the street, it's called Shaw, thought, right there. ⁓ okay. Not too familiar with Clayton, but alright, gotcha. Okay.

Bright: The suspect then pulled her into the park and forced her to undress before raping her. ⁓ the case was solved due to DNA evidence on the victim's clothing and new DNA technology that just allowed for them to match it to somebody. So it didn't really go into what the technology is.

Nilla: Yeah.

Bright: But I guess, they've had this DNA since 1986, but they've never been able to do enough with it. And of course in 1986, DNA wasn't really a thing yet. ⁓ And then even still, it wasn't enough or it had deteriorated. know, DNA will do that. And then it's not good enough to be tested or, you know, so I don't know, something new. So they were able to test it and they were able to get this guy. This guy's name is Michael Mahoney.

Nilla: It's crazy. Yeah. That's what I was wondering. Yeah. Now, hold on, wasn't he... Was he already actually... I thought that Jane did say something about how he was actually already in jail for something else. Or convicted of something... I mean... Okay.

Bright: I don't know that he was in jail. He has been. Yes, that he was. So a warrant was issued for Mahoney's arrest on Wednesday. So yesterday he has been ordered to a $1 million bond, which you only got to post a 10 % of that. So you only got to post a hundred thousand dollars. ⁓ I mean, that's still a lot of money, but, and according to additional Missouri court documents, Mahoney has a criminal history that also includes.

Nilla: Hmm Okay. All right. Sure.

Bright: Child pornography. Yeah. So I mean, scumbag, obviously, you know, so, uh, crazy, but it's also 68, you know, right. So yeah. In 1986, you know? Yeah. Uh, yeah, probably. Is that 86 to 2026? So that'd be 40 years. Yeah. So 28, 28. Yep. Yep. Yep.

Nilla: ⁓ gotcha. Yeah. And he's not that old. Yeah, right. So he was 28 then. Right? Wait. No, they'd be 40. Yeah, okay. Yeah, ⁓

Bright: ⁓ but this is the second time this month that new charges have been filed in a decades old St. Louis cold case on April 14th, authorities arrested 56 year old Miguel. Canizares can't I don't know in connection with a 1992 sexual assault of a 14 year old girl who was walking home from Parkway North high school, ⁓ from a soccer game. So back to back, you know, so this is the kind of story that reminds you that these cold cases are not always dead. ⁓ you know, sometimes they feel like that, but, ⁓ you're just waiting for new technology or funding or someone that's stubborn enough to figure it out.

Nilla: Mm. Mm. Hmm. ⁓ Yeah. Well. Yeah. Right, right. just hope that like stuff like this with technology actually like prevent stuff in the future from people committing certain crimes because there's cameras everywhere. There's, you know, DNA testing. There's, you know, there's ring doorbells. mean, everywhere, you know, it's like, well, you can't get away with anything anymore. Pretty much you would hope, but they still do somehow.

Bright: Well... Yeah. Sure, yeah. But they still do. And really the reason they get away with it is not that they don't get caught. It's that the prosecutors let them go. You know? Yeah. They either think they've been abused by the system or that they're really a good person. This was a mistake, you know, that they deserve another try. ⁓ whatever the case may be, you know, that it was a drug problem, not a crime problem. Yeah.

Nilla: Well, true, you that too, yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. Damn liberals.

Bright: I don't know. Should that be the title? I don't know that we can make that the title. So I don't know. ⁓ that's really all I had. did have, if we have time, ⁓ we're almost at about one hour. We could do this one real quick, unless you have anything.

Nilla: Not specifically, but I was going to ask if you had the wheel or did you not? ⁓ no wheel? ⁓ okay.

Bright: No, I kind of got rid of the wheel like a week or two ago. Well, one, you know, we were, we were talking so much. almost felt like we were running out of time and it takes a lot more time to plan the wheel. got to have like six stories ready to go. ⁓ and then, Yeah. Well that's, and that's what ended up happening. I was like, well, can I keep this story on the wheel because it got too old. It wasn't relevant anymore. And then I had to do more work. So I just said, screw the wheel. It's too much work. I'll just have a couple of stories. So like, this is one that I probably would have put on the wheel.

Nilla: Sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. Well, some of those stories were old though. They got too old. Yeah, true. That's Mm-hmm.

Bright: ⁓ but it's also local and it's relevant. ⁓ six flags opened. I'm sure you heard this story. You have this made national news, man. So first day, they were open Friday, maybe they opened Friday night. I don't know, but yeah. So this happened on Saturday. It's the first day of the season that six flags was open and they had to close it early because more than a hundred juveniles, more than a hundred. We're fighting. I mean, that's, that's pretty crazy.

Nilla: ⁓ yeah. Yeah. ⁓ huh. ⁓ the first, was it the first day? Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Fights.

Bright: A hundred people, high school brawls. So now they've reinstituted the, the chaperone policy. Yeah. Chaperone policy. So 16, I think. Yeah. Which I remember going, my parents driving me and my buddies there probably when we were probably starting at like 12, 13, like, I don't even think we were in high school yet. And they would just drop us off. We would wander around. never did anything too crazy. I do remember a couple of shenanigans, but shenanigans, but.

Nilla: Yeah, yeah. curfew or right. They have to be 16? Yeah, yeah. Well, okay. Yeah. Well, Shane again, Hmm. Yeah, yeah.

Bright: ⁓ somebody say shenanigans one more time. is it? I'm getting, you're getting pistol whipped. ⁓ did you see the trailer for super troopers? Three just came out.

Nilla: No, I did hear something about it there randomly, that also reminded me for some reason of, you hear or see the trip? It's not really even a real trailer yet, but Spaceballs 2? It's not really a real trailer yet because it's not coming out until like this time next year. Which, what's his name, Mel Brooks? I mean, crap, he's gonna be 100 in June, so he might be dead. mean, he's 100 in like, I mean, that's just insane. I don't know.

Bright: Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't see the trailer, but I knew that was coming out. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Mel Brooks. He's like, got 99 or a hundred years old, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think, did we talk about this a week or two ago? I watched a history of the world part two with Mel Brooks. Um, and he's in it a little bit and I'm, I'm assuming he wrote some of it, obviously, but like that was a great movie back in the day. Now this one's more of a TV show and it was only okay. Some

Nilla: I don't know. Hmm. Yeah. Mm.

Bright: Some bits were better than others. ⁓ but you know, but yeah, super. And they got to end it there. Yeah. I remember texting you guys that they were making it, you know, but this has to be the last one that first off the guys are getting old, but

Nilla: Super Troopers 3 huh? Okay, so I didn't even hear about it actually. So, well, as I say, are they all in it or? Okay, Well, they didn't wait 20 years this time, but, yeah.

Bright: Yeah, think so. I think so. think they're all in it, you know, and I got. Right. Right. You know, I don't know what the timeline is between this one and the other one. ⁓ but you know, I met a couple of them. I met and I got there. I got all their signatures on, on the super troopers poster. I went and saw them at a comedy club. It was, ⁓ yeah, here in St. Louis, it was Farva Farva and, ⁓ the other one, the guys that do, ⁓ the fire, the firefighter.

Nilla: Yeah. Where were you at? Here. Okay. ⁓ Dorney? No.

Bright: show.

Nilla: ⁓ yeah, What is his name? Rookie? A Rook? Or was it him? No.

Bright: Yeah. No, not rookie. ⁓ the other one, the shenanigans one, the guy that says shenanigans.

Nilla: Yeah, what is this name? I don't know why I can't think of it now.

Bright: I don't know. Yeah, not thorny. ⁓ I don't know. And they asked me, you know, they were like, Do you want a beer fast poster or super troopers? I was like, ⁓ I love beer fast. And I'm sure less people get beer fast. So it's probably more, you know, but I was like, How can you not get super troopers? You know? Yeah, yeah. So

Nilla: Super Troubles, the ring, I to wash that out. Mm. Yeah, it's a bit rigorous. Yeah. Exactly, that's the original. Yeah. Well, they had a couple other movies too, right? Was it Broken Lizard, is it? Right.

Bright: Well, they are broken lizard. ⁓ that's their comedy group. They, yeah. Did they have a movie called that? ⁓

Nilla: No, they had another movie though by them. It some island or... I don't know what it was.

Bright: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was. It was some Island thing, a beer fast, which was great. I, I do love beer fast. ⁓ you know, and then again, they got the Dakota Dakota FD. Is that what it was? Yeah, that's Dakota Tacoma Tacoma FD. That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is real funny. And you know, well, yeah, Lemmy, that's who it was. It was Farva and Lemmy. Yeah.

Nilla: Yeah, I think so. Tacoma, that's it. Yes, Steve Lemmy? Lemmy, okay. Rob Lowe. ⁓ yeah, Sean William Scott was in it too, that's right.

Bright: John William Scott was in it?

Nilla: The second one, yeah, will Sasso. I don't either.

Bright: ⁓ the second one. Yeah. Okay. I don't remember the second one quite as well. I know that they did the Canadian thing, right?

Nilla: I think I only saw like once really, like on like Super Troopers, which I don't know, 20 times, right?

Bright: We rewatched how many times? Yeah. Well, I remember we were just watched the opening scene, right? We were like, let's just watch the first 12 minutes or whatever, you know.

Nilla: The intro? Well actually I think I would usually forget by the time that the intro was ending that that was just the intro. like, ⁓ I thought that was like the whole movie or something there, you know.

Bright: Yeah. Or you would be like, let's just watch the 12 minutes, you know, and you were, you were high and you just ended up watching the whole thing. And then the end of it, you'd say like, ⁓ we were just supposed to watch the beginning. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ well, right. Right. Right. All right. Well, on that note, I'm out of beer. ⁓ maybe that's got it. That's the title. There you go. You boys like Mexico, unless I can think of something good about, about assassinations. Obviously that, that would

Nilla: I think you're watching the whole thing. Yeah, too bad. You boys like Mexico? It has to be. Maybe a plan words.

Bright: Yeah, it has to be something about assassinations, right? Yeah, maybe there's something there. I'll AI something.

Nilla: assassinating an assassin. Well, that happened. Oh, so you got something going on now. Saturday, we're actually going to a beer tasting event. That one we go to, you know, every year now. Three o'clock. It's three hours, I think. So, yeah, basically. Yeah.

Bright: You boys like assassinations? Uh-uh. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. Ah, nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is it in the evening? Yeah. All right. Well, yeah. If you're sober enough to come over after, I don't know. Like we, I just ordered the word. It's a teenage mutant Ninja turtles theme party and it's starting at like four 30 or something like that. So, uh, you know, you guys don't want to come over for that, but yeah, so I'm ordering a bunch of pizza and I was like, I know I'm to have leftovers. So I was like, yeah, you know, if nobody's doing anything.

Nilla: Sweet. Turtle in a half shell. ⁓ yeah. So, I who's really coming over? Is this more like family? Okay, okay.

Bright: Just family. Yeah. Just family. Yeah. And, and, ⁓ one of Caroline's friends with, with kids, with kids. Yeah. Yeah. Yup. Yup. Yup. So, yup. That's it. And so, yeah, we'll see. ⁓ otherwise, you know, I'm out of town the next couple of weeks. So we'll have to figure that out. So yeah, I'm flying home Friday. So then, you know, then.

Nilla: Yeah, sure, sure, right. Well, of course. Yeah, All right, well, we'll see, you know. Well, there's always Friday potentially too. I usually don't do anything on Friday, but. Okay, okay. That's why you mentioned Tuesday, maybe. Okay.

Bright: Yeah. Yeah. So maybe Tuesday I leave Wednesday, come home for it's a short trip, come home Wednesday. And then the next week, then it's a full week. I leave like Monday, come home Saturday. It's like a long one. So yeah, I'm pro no, I'm probably out that second week. I'm probably out, you know, so this was kind of like to avoid having two off weeks in a row. ⁓ you know, but there's always you and Dudley. Absolutely. ⁓ yeah, I know. Right.

Nilla: So you wouldn't be able to do it that Tuesday either then. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's always me and Dudley, you know. But you have to do the research, you know. So, ⁓

Bright: And then, ⁓ of course you'll have a Kevin. I will still be doing the city SC posse podcast. ⁓ I think we did our best episode, ⁓ earlier this week. We did it. The, the recap of the three to defeat. And the reason I say it was our best episode is cause I was pissed. I was on a ⁓ rant. ⁓ yeah, but then we won last night. Now it wasn't MLS. It was us open cup and we won. ⁓ so we'll do a, play on Sunday this week.

Nilla: ⁓ yeah. No. Hmm. I'll you what. Okay. Hmm.

Bright: So we'll probably record an episode either tomorrow or Saturday morning and then get that posted before Sunday afternoon's matchup.

Nilla: Then when do do your second one, your follow up one, do that Sunday, Monday.

Bright: ⁓ just depends on when we're free. Like this week it worked out because we had the Wednesday game. So I was like, Hey, let's do, let's do a, we recorded on Tuesday. I put it out on Tuesday because if sometimes we're not able to do it until Saturday, there's a Saturday night game. I'm only, I'm only getting like 12 streams before the game starts. You know, now I think we got up to like 30 streams on that same episode. So even though some of them came in after the, after the match, ⁓ but.

Nilla: Right, right. Yeah, true, sure. Right. Sure, Okay. That's cool. I'll check it out. I haven't listened to one of them yet. So I'll check it out.

Bright: ⁓ but yeah, you know, is, it is what it is. Yeah. ⁓ let's check out, check out the last one I posted because I, yeah, like I said, I was on a terror.

Nilla: Maybe I to watch the first one so I know how much better this one was.

Bright: Maybe, All right. We'll take care, bud. ⁓ we'll see you next time. All right. Adios.

Nilla: All right. Yep. Talk to you later.